All these children are invisible to the driver...
Fuck all those cars!!! Put them away to hell, not to earth. They are too big for all - except for small egos. But for small egos is therapy much better.
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Or we could, you know, follow previously established methods of building vehicles that make pedestrian death and dismemberment less likely.
No, no, no. Americans need them this way apparently for some inexplicable fucking reason.
So instead of just designing them with pedestrian safety in mind to begin with, we are just gonna slap on more fucking band-aids (like cameras) that do fuck-all.
Americans never asked for this, it's the classification system for light trucks implemented following the Yom Kippur War that left too much leeway in the definition for "light trucks" that has been driving auto makers in this direction.
Of course there have been knock-on cultural issues where certain people make it part of their ego and the market effect becomes self reinforcing, but that's how we got into this mess. History is a series of unintended consequences, again.
Agreed. The industry is invested in avoiding regulation that could impede their profits at all costs. This means they will invest in advertising pushing the idea that these vehicles are needed.
It's almost like our enemies are rich people! Crazy thought, right?
I'd argue that they have asked for trucks to get so big because they seemingly sell better that way. It's admittedly an imperfect thing to look at since there's few alternatives and many other factors, but these big trucks didn't immediately take over the market. At some point they were introduced and consumers liked them.
This is why I said it became an ego thing. Automakers didn't set out to kill the most kids possible and ask "how do we design towards that", they exploited a regulatory loophole which then cracked open a wider market niche based on people's egocentrism, brutality, and myopic attitudes toward transit (e.g. carbrain).
I'm not sure if American consumers "liked" them so much as they were pushed heavily by auto makers while they quietly phased out more practically sized vehicles like hatchbacks, station wagons, and a lot of sedans (other than those sedans that fetch a high price for their performance and appeal to an entirely different market; your corvettes, mustangs, etc.) That 'light truck' designation brings with it larger profit margins; the vehicle itself is bigger so the manufacturer can charge more for it, and then they have to obey fewer environmental regulations so development/manufacturing is cheaper in comparison to trying to meet the regulations for smaller vehicles.
Americans never asked for this? Then who is buying these wanktanks?
Slow down buddy, you're skating past everything worth talking about.
To be fair, they are hugely popular in both Canada and Mexico as well. I'll leave it to you to figure out why.
Hint; if marketing didn't work, it wouldn't be a multi-billion dollar industry.
Ban lifted trucks!!
That truck isn't even lifted. Looks like stock.
Yeah, more like "Ban trucks that are built so high off the ground that they can't see pedestrians." That would easily include lifted trucks as well as general monstrosities.
I mean, it's not like any of these motherfuckers uses these things to haul anything other than their kids and fucking groceries anyway.
Too much of a pussy to just own it and just drive a fucking minivan, which can easily carry kids and groceries. Has to buy the big dick extender instead.
Yes, no one who owns a truck uses it to move furniture, trash, dirt, mulch, or an old transmission they pulled at the auto lot. None of them go fishing or hunting, obviously, so fishing rods, camping gear and coolers won't be necessary in the back. Also, no one who owns a truck has ever done home repair and would never carry wood or power tools in the back of, do you get how stupid your strawman is yet?
https://www.axios.com/ford-pickup-trucks-history
I guess self-reporting surveys must be lies then.
In other words, for the most part, these gas guzzling monstrosities are rarely used for hauling shit. Maybe they should just rent a truck when they need one?
That doesn't invalidate trucks used for commercial or professional use, or the fact I'll still stand on.... hauling and outdoor use. It being rare doesn't make it non-existent.
I'm sure some idiot is hauling refrigerators with a Civic, it doesn't make them progressive.
It's not non-existent, but it's non-existent enough to justify most people not owning trucks and just renting them when needed.
I mean, if trucks were still like the 4-cylinder Ranger I had from the 80's, it would make more sense. But they aren't and it doesn't.
Then you have to pay the rental fee. What if I own a truck... and a Civic?
Is it the ego at this point or are you really riding this train?
At this point, I think that's projection.
Oh no! A rental fee! That must have made it so you couldn't afford to eat. What even is this argument?
So you own more vehicles than you as an individual need? I don't know why you think that's supposed to go over well in a Fuck_Cars forum.
Three of the guys at my shop literally go fishing about twice a month. They own trucks. It's possible. One drives a focus to work every day.
I noticed you danced around the owning two vehicles statement, very nice. I'm moving on with it since it's troubling you so much.
*shrugs
Projection.
Personal anecdotes without evidence are like the least effective way to prove a point, by the way.
Nice edit, low blow, bro, low blow. I didn't screenshot yours before you made it. I don't believe in being cheap.
The edit was made several minutes before you responded. Check it for yourself.
Finishing your thought to add more before someone else has responded isn't cheap. But it's clear you want to be a victim here.
Why don't you go back to being a crypto bro, it seems you're suited to it.
Fair.
You're still wrong about the truck thing, tho. Thank God you guys can't downvote me, I bet the urge must be painful.
I mean, this is a Lemmy.ml community, which has downvotes enabled. Are you desperate to act like a fool?
Just so long as they aren't my problem, it doesn't matter that much to me what you do.
and they aren't.
Are downvotes actually a problem for anyone except those with fragile egos?
We don’t have this kind of trucks in the Europe AT ALL and people still go fishing, do home repairs, carry heavy or large loads. This is all American lifestyle.
Excuse me in which car-free paradise do you live? While Europe might not reach American-level exuberance in car volume, we have seen a very anger-inducing increase in the number of SUVs. Every second car I saw in Germany this summer was way wider and longer than it needed to be. I want these cars regulated the fuck out of Europe rather sooner than later, but right now every arsehole happily buys one on the promise that their own kids are safe inside the moron-family-sized tank while their parent mows down other people's children.
I fish with a Camry just fine.
I can easily do all of that and more with my non-lifted mid-sized long-bed pickup. It's just a fact my dude; they are selling a self-image, not actual utility. Or what about a van with a roof-rack. In my professional experience that's a lot more utilitarian if you're a tradesman.
Again, it's all about an image that's been meticulously and brilliantly marketed and sold to very specific demographics.
Don't impede the circle jerk, unless you use it everyday for work you should rent a truck every other weekend
I work in industrial construction on massive unionized projects with tradespeople coming from all over the US and Canada and I can tell you for an objective fact that the number of guys --it's almost always guys, which should tell you something-- who drive giant lifted obnoxious trucks as their daily driver vs the number who actually really and truly need them on a regular basis is like 100 to 1.
But even if it were only 10 to 1, that means we have 10 times as many of these giant gas guzzling dangerous trucks out on the road.
The industry has done such a good job at selling these trucks as part of a self-image, that a lot of guys are incapable of admitting that the only reason they drive one is because they think it looks cool.
Or just... have a truck? Look, man. Is your problem intensified by the trucks in question being 8-cylinder gas guzzlers?
Have you ever heard of Toyota?
Carbrained: When you're so stuck up your own ass you even lash out at people who were obviously making a joke that meant they agreed with you.
That's it. I've had enough of this. I'm off to buy a truck!
They're wonderful. I personally enjoy looking down on everyone in mine. And if I was to ever hit a line of kids in the road, I know I'm safe.
Car manufacturers have been making trucks taller and boxier because their studies show that their owners do that to their trucks after buying them so they want to be more appealing to the average pickup truck buyer... and yes that thought makes my brain hurt
Definitely stock cause it doesn't even look leveled, and no one lifts without leveling.
Can I introduce you to the world of hack job block kits prolific in rural Canada?
I saw a YouTube explaining the giant cars in the US have to do with the government making a big equation that car manufacturers have to follow.
The equation calculated the weight, size, gas mileage, etc, and the only way they can make the cars pass the equation is to make them giant. The equation backfired and now we have giant cars.
It didn't backfire. They designed a law that looks good at first glance but actually makes auto manufacturers richer. This happens all the time and it's on purpose, because they know voters don't have the analysis resources of lobbyists.
Yep, the manufacturers get massive tax breaks on this class of vehicle, which means they can make and sell them at the same or better price than a small, fuel efficient car. If a family with kids has to choose between a mid size crossover or an F150 at similar price points, why would you get the crossover? The USA needs to fix the way it taxes cars to disincentivise these fuel inefficient giant cars. No other country has these problems so it's not a selfish person problem, it's an entirely logical choice to make given the circumstances.
If Americans had to pay the same petrol taxes that Europeans do, they'd soon go for the tiny cars.
Band-aids like cameras that do fuck all? Cameras are a very quick, simple, and obvious solution to this specific problem. There's a reason that all new cars have backup cameras nowadays. Perfection is the enemy of good and all that.
Eh. European panel vans can usuallly haul more and have better visibility. Just droop the snoot.