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Japan's Holocaust was as bad as the Nazi's. They were killing, raping, mutilating, and enslaving millions of Chinese, Burmese, Korean, Vietnamese, and other peoples on a daily basis. Every extra day the Japanese empire was in power was another day of hell for millions of innocent people. Japan's rulers know the War was lost after Germany fell. They were happy to keep the killing going.
I guess that justifies the murder of civilians for you?
By that logic, 9/11 was justified
Please explain, in detail, why the lives of the Japanese civilians in Hiroshima were more important then the lives of the Korean/Burmese/Chinese people being killed every day?
Please explain, in detail, why the lives of American civilians in the twin towers were more important than the lives of middle eastern people being killed every day?
Do you see how horrific and crazy this sounds? Using your logic, you can justify killing civilans of most countries, hell using your logic France deserves to get nuked out of existence because of what they are currently doing to West Africa.
Thankfully we shouldn't use this logic.
I don't think you understand what the word "civilian" means
The Japanese Empire was killing a lot of civilians. Chinese civilians, Burmese civilians, Vietnamese civilians. Explain to me why their lives shouldn't be considered important?
Even after accepting your premise there is a huge amount of middle ground between doing nothing and nuking civilian centres.
Like what, exactly?
Remember two things. First were the Asian peoples who were being slaughtered by the Empire. Why should they go on suffering one extra day? The other is that Truman had an obligation to protect American lives; that was his sworn duty. Why should he allow any US service men to die to protect the lives fo Japaense?
Your description of the conditions is correct but your conclusion is a non-sequitur. It does not follow logically that the only or best option to stop those atrocities was to mass murder civilians. Despite what the propaganda about the bombings that has since been inculcated into the western public claims, they were not in fact necessary for compelling Japan's surrender. There were already internal disputes about this in the Japanese leadership for some time, but after their decisive defeat in Manchuria at the hands of the Red Army the decision to surrender as soon as possible became pretty much unanimous. Every day that went by was another day that the Soviets took more territory and came closer and closer - through the Kurils - to the Japanese home islands. The Japanese imperialists knew just as well as the Nazis that they stood a much better chance of avoiding punishment for their crimes (and some of them even being allowed to retain some power in the post war state) if they surrendered to the US rather than the USSR. Moreover we now know that the US leaders knew this. Their primary motivations were to have a live weapons test and to intimidate the Soviet Union.
You say there were 'options,' yet somehow managed to avoid actually naming them.
What would you tell the Koreans/Chinese/Burmese whose families died while the negotiations stretched out?
And what of the Japanese civilians? Are their lives automatically forfeit because they had the gall to be born in the bad guy country?
Do not justify atrocities with other atrocities. And do not ignore the bulk of another person's argument to pretend they had no argument. You just look like an idiot when you do that.
What of the Japanese civilians?
You haven't given me one word about why their lives were more valuable than the enslaved peoples.
You're being deliberately obtuse, take your concern trolling elsewhere.
Well this is some inverted reasoning. The bombs didn't end the war quicker and the US military didn't think that they would. It was pointless cruelty to civilians that saved no one, for the sake of intimidating the USSR.
And if we follow this logic, then every (white) inhabitant of the US deserves to have every single atom of their bodies blasted out into interstellar space at the speed of light for their country's past and present crimes.
Not much since there'd be quite few of them. Japan would be on the retreat at that point and would have very limited capacity to carry out further atrocities.
What would you tell people that lost their families in the Korean war to support the atomic bombs, since Japan surrendering to the US instead of the USSR all but guaranteed that war?
"A limited capacity." Or, they might have decided that if they were going to lose, they would take as many people as they could with them.
Read up on biological warfare Unit 731 and tell me that there was no chance they'd have killed as many people as they could.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731#Surrender_and_immunity
Curious.
Interesting.
It just keeps going.
So glad US nuked civilians so they could have sole occupation of Japan.
Behold the MOAB! (mother of all bad takes)
Yep, I'd expect to see something like this pretty much anywhere on the US internet today, since August 9th is the one day of the year when Japan goes from Wholesome Anime Country to Evil Genocidal Asiatic Barbarian Land in the minds of most Americans. I would not have expected to see it on GenZedong.
as mentioned in the video, Japan was already willing to surrender because of the USSR
If they were so willing, why didn't they just do it?