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[-] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

^ This is the winner, right here. The crux, as it were.

Modern society always ultimately boils down, eventually, to might makes right... just with some extra steps.

[-] RubberElectrons@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I agree with you. That said, as humans, we're not yet evolved past defending territory we've chosen to live on. I think we still need "might" as an option for response, until we as a creator evolve further.

I don't know if it's possible to get rid of the final might destination on the continuum of responses to issues, but I think we can agree that the "extra steps" part between "an annoyance" and "possible danger to individuals and society" is extremely lacking and narrow.

I strongly, strongly dislike what the police have become, and evolved from, in the united States. Someone does need to investigate crime and murder though, and not just a few amateur podcasters. With some careful thought, and likely messy experimentation, we can handle laws being just, fair and useful. How? That seems to be the tricky part.

[-] RedAggroBest@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

"Warfare is of vital importance to the state, it is a matter of life and death." -Sun Tzu.

A hundreds of years old warlord recognized this, it's a thought independent of economics. As long as there's more than one nation-state on this planet, might is always the end result, including defense from an aggressor.

The idea of inherent violence solely being a capitalist trait doesn't tell the whole truth because the need for might exists as long as there's power dynamic, which exists as long as there is govt.

[-] unfreeradical@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Has anyone claimed that violence has never occurred outside a context of capitalism?

[-] fkn@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You think it's the govt that creates the power imbalances that results in violence? This is laughable... government is a result of violence that creates the power imbalance. Your point was reasonable until you conflated the two at the end.

[-] unfreeradical@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I don't know if it's possible to get rid of the final might destination on the continuum of responses to issues

Perhaps the issues themselves are not inevitable.

this post was submitted on 30 Sep 2023
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