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submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by aCosmicWave@lemm.ee to c/asklemmy@lemmy.ml

I see the human organism as a layering of different levels of consciousness. Each layer supports mostly automated processes that sustain the layers beneath it.

For example, we have cells that only know what it’s like to be a cell and to perform their cellular processes without any awareness of the more complex layers above them. Organs are much more complex than cells and they perform their duties without any awareness of anything above them either. And the complexity keeps increasing with various systems like endocrine, cardiovascular, etc. Then we have our subconscious and finally our conscious.

At our level, we do not consciously control any of the layers beneath us. Our primary task is to keep our bodies alive.

This got me thinking… isn’t it a little too self aggrandizing to think that we have a near infinite layering of consciousness beneath us and then it just stops at our level of awareness? What if there is some other conscious process that exists above us within our own bodies?

When people take psychedelic drugs they often describe achieving a higher level of awareness akin to ecstasy. Well what if this layer is always there actively ”living” within us but we are just the chumps that go to work, do our taxes, and exercise, while it doles out just enough feel good chemicals to keep us going (sometimes not even that)?

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[-] Saeculum@hexbear.net 7 points 1 year ago

How can cells know what it's like to be a cell? What capacity do they have to perceive information, what organs do they have to store memories and examine them?

[-] aCosmicWave@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I commented this elsewhere but please take a look at a few minutes of this video. Just because we do not understand the mechanism does not mean that it doesn't exist.

A renowned biologist Michael Levin took some basic skin cells from a frog embryo and separated them from the rest of the organism. Astonishingly these “skin” cells rebooted themselves and converted into a new type of organism that is able to solve simple mazes, and demonstrate individual and group behaviors.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3lsYlod5OU&t=389s

[-] Saeculum@hexbear.net 3 points 1 year ago

That is very cool, thanks for sharing it. Watching through the video though, there don't seem to be any claims made or evidence presented that suggest these cells possess a mechanism, understood or otherwise, to know, understand or experience anything. Nothing to suggest they are capable of consciousness.

[-] aCosmicWave@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

A hair cell that has had no prior exposure to a brand new environment is able to sense the change and adapt itself. To me this is indicative of an elementary consciousness.

[-] ProxyTheAwesome@hexbear.net 6 points 1 year ago

A reaction does not imply consciousness. Water reacts when it hits fire by turning into steam and putting out the fire. That doesn't make the water or the fire conscious.

[-] aCosmicWave@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

These cells are able to solve simple puzzles and behave differently as individuals as compared to groups too.

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