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[-] NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 80 points 1 year ago

Why are we trying so hard to go backwards to the 1700s?

[-] TrismegistusMx@lemmy.world 30 points 1 year ago

We're actually trying to go back to the Roman Empire, a Fourth Reich, if you will.

[-] NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago

Yeah, it's kind of scary how close they are too succeeding. When one half of the electoral process gives up on democracy, and starts trying to take power by Amy means, it's hard to fight back against that.

[-] TrismegistusMx@lemmy.world -3 points 1 year ago

It's only hard to fight against it because our champions are wolves in sheep's clothing. The Democrats don't want to undermine their own power either, they just want you to think they do.

[-] yemmly@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)
[-] iltoroargento@lemmy.sdf.org 10 points 1 year ago

The term sounds dumb off the tongue and, you guessed it, has no actual philosophical or historical weight aside from a callback to the name for Roman emperors.

Sadly, those who are interested in regression don't access a lot of critical thinking skills, so they'll glom onto this surface level reference and see it as deep and meaningful.

[-] tintory@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago

THANK YOU!

YOU KNOW HOW FRUSTRATING IT IS WHEN PEOPLE KEEP TOSSING THAT PHRASE AROUND

[-] iltoroargento@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 1 year ago

Lol I find it infuriating as well. Ugh...

[-] agent_flounder@lemmy.one 3 points 1 year ago

Seeking a return to an idealized mythological past...? That's so classic fascist.

[-] tintory@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago

Roman Empire was pro choice

You are thinking of Medieval Europe

[-] TrismegistusMx@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago

I doubt any of the cultures that were invaded by Roman expansion were given any choice in the matter. Conservatism always has different standards for the in group versus the out group.

[-] schwim@reddthat.com 20 points 1 year ago

It seems just the American religious right are doing that. There just seems to be many more of them than I first imagined.

[-] NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

I think they're just really loud. Most people aren't like that. But since the republican party can't seem to win elections fairly anymore, they've decided to throw the rules out and go for fascism.

[-] schwim@reddthat.com 16 points 1 year ago

Didn't we get to that point by the loud ones being able to vote their chosen into office though? That's the part that surprises me, that there were enough of them to get the proper people in office to dismantle the country's democratic process.

[-] NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

A lot of it was a coordinated effort to gerrymander. They lost the popular vote by almost 7 million votes in both of the last two elections. There's also been a lot of foreign countries targeting misinformation and propaganda campaigns in the U.S., Russia, China, Vietnam, Iran.

And we've been buying it unfortunately. They've been attempting to sow anger on the left and the right, and make it seem like everyone is more extreme than most people are, which has furthered the divide on both sides of the political spectrum.

Unfortunately, there's also roughly 20-25% of the population who just eats this crap up, and they're the extremists now dominating national headlines.

Sadly, the electoral college is the reason we are in this mess right now.

[-] SuddenlyBlowGreen@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Hmm, what was very powerful in the 1700s, that lost so much power nowadays...

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