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Well when the character makes sense or it really doesn't matter, it works. But when it's shoehorned in and there is that one scene where they tell their backstory or explain their identity and it's out of the blue and takes you out of the story at hand it's bad and really ruins the movie.
I haven't experienced this at all, but I might not be viscerally bothered by a trans person existing to the point of ruining the movie for me.
It's not the person it's how the scene is portrayed and how last minute added the scene feels.
I feel that way about left-handed people.
They're so sinister aren't they?
Do you have any examples for comparison?
There is one in every season of Star Trek Discovery. But also the Quantum Leap reboot the nerdy tech person, they stop everything in their quest to rescue Ben to give the traumatic backstory theirs. It was very loosely based on the episode and felt really not with the flow of the story. I'll have to look up the episode and timestamp.
For movies there was one I watched recently but I can't remember the name.
I know what you mean that some aspects in Star Trek Discovery felt a bit forced, but on the other hand a 100% cishet crew would have been even more forced, especially with non-human crew members or human-like ones from different solar systems.
I think you're being downvoted for this because, even if it's a good point in isolation, it's in the direction of "trans person bad", and thus indistinguishable from a transphobe adopting the point without believing it. You gotta include a few instances of "_____ did it really well. We need more like that." to balance it out.
The problem is that it isn't a good point in isolation, it's a point uttered only by people who are bothered by the presence of queer characters
Sorry my fist sentence was meant to be a positive one. ST Discovery did it well with the Trill, Trell? Character.
Also USA Shameless had a character that flowed well with the story line.
Shoehorning is a lie. queer people exist IRL wherever they want to and movies need to reflect that
Yes, but there is a difference between a protagonist that happens to be queer and a protagonist whose whole persona is that they are queer.
It gets worse when them being queer is the only justification for why they are good instead of the movie showing us they are a good person (or strong, or charismatic, or whatever).
The same can apply to female protagonists as well.
Some people in real life make their sexuality their entire persona.
Those people exist.
Why shouldn't they be allowed to be a protagonist?
The other person said it better than I ever could.
But also: they can be a protagonist. It's just that these movies are usually pretty shit.
Do you think a male or cisgendered person can be “shoehorned in”, or is this something that you believe can only happen with women or trans people?
What you're saying is a good point, even if it's being downvoted to hell. The shoehorned is the difference between say:
Snape and Dumbledoore supposedly being gay lovers despite it not being hinted at even once in the entire film's chronology up to the point JKR said so.
Vs. Something like Modern Family where they came right out the door with Mitchell and Cameron being gay, and then used that as an actual story element throughout the series rather than just shoehorning it in to appeal to the LGBT crowd then never bringing it up again.
One feels like a tasteful, meaningful addition to the story, the other feels like a marketing gimmick.