82
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
this post was submitted on 11 Jul 2023
82 points (100.0% liked)
Europe
8324 readers
1 users here now
News/Interesting Stories/Beautiful Pictures from Europe 🇪🇺
(Current banner: Thunder mountain, Germany, 🇩🇪 ) Feel free to post submissions for banner pictures
Rules
(This list is obviously incomplete, but it will get expanded when necessary)
- Be nice to each other (e.g. No direct insults against each other);
- No racism, antisemitism, dehumanisation of minorities or glorification of National Socialism allowed;
- No posts linking to mis-information funded by foreign states or billionaires.
Also check out !yurop@lemm.ee
founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
I get it you're vegan. Rest assured that I don't even buy non-organic milk, if only for the reason that it doesn't taste good when the cows only eat soy.
I'm not even going to start commenting on that. The 50s want their commercial propaganda back.
Half the world is not culturally and partly genetically descendent from a particular pastoral culture in what's now Ukraine. You can flip the whole thing around and ask why other cultures didn't spread as hard and fast as Indo-Europeans did (speaking of initial expansion, not modern-day colonial bullshit).
Also, half a litre is still within what non-lactose tolerant people can tolerate. It's pushing it, but possible. I mean most Italians are lactose intolerant and they still have their cappuccino. Then, lactose doesn't even begin to be an issue when it comes to even moderately ripened cheeses. India would completely collapse without milk as their version of vegetarian doesn't involve eggs.
If you want to get your B12 from other sources, be my guest. I literally don't care. If you want to argue against milk consumption for other reasons, also be my guest. All I wanted to do is how "vegetarian substitute for meat" can be interpreted in a European context that's on a budget. And it didn't even involve milk because eggs are more bang for the buck nutrition-wise.
I'm not vegan, more like vegetarian and flexitarian with dairy. I'm just trying to explain why (obviously in an orderly fashion, revolutions are expensive) milk from out diet would be a good idea. By now it's fairly clear that the plant based option have more advantages than disadvantages.. Milks isn't particularly bad, but it*s in the "controversial" category. I.e. the stuff one should only consume if one likes the taste, but not for health reasons.
Edit: With eggs the calculation is indeed quite different. They're less of a problem regarding the climate (if you use the water-free portion as a reference) and indeed helpful for protein.
Argh that again. No, saturated fats are not unhealthy. Trans fats, hardened fats, different issue but the saturated scare was an advertisement technique to push margarine at butter prices flanked by a campaign by the sugar industry demonising fat as a whole. The whole "science" behind it is "fire fighters found near conflagration thus fire departments cause fires" type logic. The actual epidemic of heart disease back then was due to people smoking like chimneys but how could you blame cigarettes doctors said they're healthy...
Is that based on those "tons of rain falls on cow pastures and cows drink and pee and we're counting all of that as water usage" numbers. Especially almonds have a much worse water problem, methane burps are an issue yes but can also be addressed by better animal feed and natural supplements, up to 90% reductions and it's not even expensive.