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Over 100 Bodies Uncovered in Single Israeli Village After Hamas Massacre
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Hamas thought this operation would change everything.
They were right, but not in the way they expected. All they've done is turn soft sympathisers like myself away from their cause. They deserve everything they get and it's not going to be pretty. The Palestinian who will be killed during crossfire are on Hamas hands this time and the rest of the world will see it that way. absolute own goal, so they could... massacre a bunch of civilians. Hamas showing military genius of the likes of Russia
No, the Gaza residents don't deserve collective punishment, and that is what Hamas wants. They want Israel to overreact and clamp down. They want videos of their dead children and women across all media. This is part of the tried and true strategy of big guy vs little guy conflicts, and guess what it NEVER WORKS... for the big guy.
How did 9/11 work out for Osama Bin Laden? Better then he could have ever even dreamed of.
You can't kill your way out of this kind of conflict. The only ways out are A) complete genocide or B) political resolutions and bringing them to the table.
Neither Bibi, nor Hamas, want option B, and they're both hoping that eventually option A will work out in their favor.
You just contradict yourself. You can't kill your way out of this kind of conflict. Then you say you can complete genocide. So you can kill your way out of this.
That is likely what they are going to do. Starve out and destroy Gaza so everyone leaves. Then enter it and take it over and build another wall woth even more guns and keep pushing new walls further back to make the balstics Hamas use less effective.
This conflict is Israel vs Hamas, at least on paper. So even if Israel ramps up strikes without care of civilian death, that is still different then an actual intentional and systemic genocide.
So no, Israel cannot kill it's way out of this current conflict.
Of course they can and they are doing it. They are going to destroy Gaza block by block until everyone has fled or is killed and there is nothing but rubble to go back too. Then Isreal will just take over the land and move in.
I understand that is ultimate dream of Bibi, Ben-Gvir, and a disturbingly large number of genocidal zealots that support them, but no, that is not going to be what happens with this specific conflict at this time.
Eventually, they will withdraw from Gaza and leave the millions of Palestinians left to starve and suffer in the rubble.
Let's say, hypothetically, that Hamas was actually somehow destroyed, every leader killed, and 200k fighters dead. What kind of organization do you think would rise up to replace it?
Looks like they are doing a pretty good job if leveling Gaza right now and don't appear to be stopping anytime soon
Israel at least shows an attempt to target military and government buildings, where as Hamas always aims for civilians. And they use their own people as human shields. It's gotten harder and harder to sympathize, and keep seeing their point of view.
Lmao what? They cut off water to civilians. It's over. Palestinian women and children are going to be dying in massive numbers over the next week.
That doesn't even begin to include the number of Palestinian civilians being shelled to oblivion in the supposed "safe areas" designated by the authorities.
Israel routinely bombs news buildings, wtf are you talking about?
Far be it for me to defend the IDF, but Hamas does go out of its way to create civilian death delimeas for Israel, such as using news buildings and hospitals for critical operations centers. It's a win/win, either Israel won't destroy that Hamas infrastructure, or they literally blow up journalists and hospitals.
I'm not even saying this to cast judgement one way, or another, it's just an objective statement of fact and these tactics are incredibly effective for the type of conflict they're engaged in.
Bro they're been demolishing civilian infrastructure for decades, most of the time Palestinian Gaza does not have power because Israel bombs the power station.
Hamas is shit but no yeah Israel kills thousands of civilians every year. They've killed 22 journalists in 20 years. They have hit news buildings with rockets, once calling for an evacuation first, for whatever fucking reason they had to hit those buildings I guess. Israel is an apartheid state. No, Hamas isn't giving a proper response.
It's for this human shield behaviour that this could be the beginning of the end for the whole of Palestine. Israel doesn't care anymore, so any civilians are going to be in the firing line too. All Hamas needs to do to bring about the end of Palestine is to keep using Palestinians as meat shields.
Civilians have always been in their firing line, what the fuck are you talking about? They're not human shields, they're just civilians being murdered by the IDF
Hamas launches rockets from a civilian site and tells people not to leave when IDF warns them the building will be targeted shortly
Israel is trying to limit collateral damage and Hamas is actively throwing people into danger
"the building" AKA hospital or school. Where's your evidence for the thing about them telling people not to leave? I know it's a common trope, but is there any actual evidence there?
https://i.imgur.com/ZSZcVyE.jpg
Here is a post, translation below
https://imgur.io/a/vgMbIUS
https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2021/06/23/hold-hamas-accountable-for-human-shields-use-during-the-may-2021-gaza-war/
Literally the opposite. Like in black and white, in the data on death tolls since 1948 or whenever you want to start counting. Palestine doesn't have a military, Israel doesn't allow them to. How would they be targeted if they don't exist? Every. Single. Time. Someone from
Hamas does something stupid out of desperation, takes out a couple Israeli soldiers, and Israel responds by slaughtering hundreds to thousands of Palestinian civilians. Completely disproportionate in every way.
Like it's kind of wild how much gall it takes to straight up REVERSE a statistic like that, and state it as fact. You should be ashamed of yourself.
https://twitter.com/UNSCO_MEPP/status/1393940810937348098?s=20
I look forward to the evidence you will provide that disproves the UN's claim that Hamas purposely uses heavily populated civilian areas to stage attacks. Also, I think Hamas did more than "take out a couple Israeli soldiers" this time.
It is possible to condemn Israel's far right government while also recognizing Hamas as scum. We can simultaneously damn both for killing civilians without making it seem like one has given the other justification.
Palestinians using violent means might think they're succeeding because they are actually getting landback for the first time in decades, but they fail to consider how bad it looks to me, a guy on the internet who thinks it would be better for their PR if they kept dying instead.
No, the Palestinians who are killed are on the hands of Israel, who killed them. The "they did it first" argument didn't work with your mom when you and your siblings were fighting as kids, what the fuck kind of mental gymnastics makes you think it works when we're talking about genocide of an entire people? You're out of your damn mind.
And don't get gleeful watching Palestinians die, because Israel is about to invade Gaza. That's house-to-house and room-to-room fighting. Ask the Russians how that went in WW2, or the Americans in Iraq and Afghanistan. The Israelis haven't done all their dying, they're just signing up for the slaughter now.
It was always unclear who was worse because it as always a tit for tat that has been going on for so long. It is such a complex issue.
What is not complex is this terror attack was totally one-sided and came at a time when tensions had been dropping and things seemingly improving. It is clear Hamas has gone too far, and it was just brutal to witness.
Isreal government leadership needs to change, and Hamas needs to be eliminated. Netanyahu has been in power for far too long and its dangerous, and unlikely to resolve and issues they have.
Once he is gone and Hamas is gone, they can perhaps come back to the bargaining table.
Tensions were rising not dropping.
Have you seen the air raids in the Gaza strip? They fucked up big time. They're getting carpet bombed, I can't believe they didn't see this coming
They did I'm sure. This will turn more people against Israel. Israel has all the power, and they continuously kill civilians, sometimes because Hamas is using them but often for no reason. As bad as it is, this is how you fight when you don't have equal power. You cause an overreaction and capitalize on it. It also shows that Bibi isn't actually "Mr. Security" like he says.
Hamas has always supported genocide against Jewish Israelis, they have always been extreme. You had sympathy for that? WTF bro!?
sympathy for the plight of the poor bastards being used as pawns by their genocidal terrorist leaders? yeah of course I do. Why would I be in favour of wiping the people out?
You shouldn't, but you phrased in a way that made it sound like the Palestinian masses are responsible for Hamas.
The masses aren't interested in instigating war or conflict. Muslims and Jews both could live in peace like they did before the West took over, but that would disrupt the western hegemony. I think people should blame leaders, including leaders outside the Middle East when we are looking for reasons for this never ending and bloody conflict.
Hamas could probably extrapolate what came next, it's not exactly new ground. As for your sympathy, it didnt change a damn thing for them in the first place what did they lose?