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I don’t understand, is this supposed to say that grad is nazis? They’re very explicit about not allowing nazis and adjacent stuff.
To be honest we don't have a real name for them. They say they support the tenets of national socialism, deride capitalism, engage in liberalism, and hate the working class.
Call them what you will. Nazi, neo-nazi, neo-neo-nazi, neo-bolshevik, I don't know. In any case it's all different flavours of fascism.
"Tankies" that's the word for Nazis with a Russian coat of paint.
Edit: Lmao the downvotes. I just gave an objective description of the term OP is looking for. I'm a hardcore socialist myself and if you feel like the term "Tankie" is insulting you, then MAYBE you have an issue.
Tankie originally meant people who supported the Soviet Union's military action in Hungary and Czechoslovakia in the 50s and 60s https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tankie
I hesitate to call them tankies because they don't follow the same ideals. These people deride 'the libs' but engage in liberalism, calling themselves lgbtq friendly, then they call themselves communist but engage in materialism, they call themselves socialist but agree with authoritarianism.
I don't know what to call them besides fascist, but fascist is so non-specific when dealing with these groups that it doesn't help for identification. We actually need a new name for this group of fascists.
They're CCP or maybe Kremlin operatives organizing shills, LLMs, and useful idiots to spread propaganda.
That's why it's hard to say what they are. They aren't actually socialists, they're happy to support both extremes in order to increase division in their group opponents.
I’ve never seen a grad say they support the tenets of national socialism or that they hate the working class. Can you show me?
No, they've been defederated.
Based
yall must have strong defederation if you can't even go to the grad website and see their posts.
Based admins, I'll leave my door open
surely you take the accusation of nazism seriously enough to go to a website you don't like to show proof!
do you expect me to take you at your word that the people who explicitly forbid nazis and a bunch of other right wing kooks and have a modlog filled with bans and post and comment removals for violating those rules are nazis?
Surely you are capable of shedding your own ignorance without being handheld. You know where to find what you're looking for, library's open.
i don't know where to find it though. the things youre claiming don't show up in a search of the grad site. ill admit that just relying on the same text search every lemmy instance has for the words youre using isn't all encompassing, so if you can actually show me what youre claiming please do!
i'm trying to give you the benefit of the doubt but its hard when i ask to see the receipts and get the runaround.
Well you shouldn't trust my sources, they might be biased. Better to do your own research.
but i started this chain of comments with my own research and a request to see yours!
it can't be youre just making up accusations and replying in circles to troll me!
But I can't access my research and I'm at the same mercy as you in relocating them, so unfortunately I won't be using my time to find it for you just because you insist on playing this willfully disingenuous dance of linguistic belligerence. But good luck to you and your friends.
Also because they don't.
I am not a fan of lemmygrad or hexbear but they certainly do not advocate for national socialism.
I've had enough bouts with them. They don't believe people can be racist against white people, so any slurs or derogatory insults are totally okay. They also hate social Democrats - call them colonialists. That they want all the benefits of socialism without having to give up any of their illgotten gains.
Soooo, they just expect people to fully make the jump over to pure socialism/communism, no expectations of gradual change, and think hating on whitey is totes cool.
Their most vocal are essentially hindering the growth the greater collective with this bullshit, and if they ever want to see change in their lifetimes, then need to be realistic about it.
Sure they disallow nazis, but they do exactly what nazis tend to do; alienate, dehumanize and propagandize.
there is not a big enough 🤔 emoji to reply to this post.
You can take your emoji and go read their comments calling for race-based nuclear holocaust or keep up your charade that these claims are questionable. Personally idc what you choose to do 🫡
I’m searching grad posts and comments locally for the word “nuke” and “nuclear” using new sort and there’s a whole lot of worry about states using them, some people saying more nuclear armed states would make everyone more careful and less violent but no calls for nuclear genocide.
Before I say this I wanna be as clear as possible: claiming that a whole group of people are Nazis that wanna commit nuclear genocide is serious. I’m not asking for evidence to waste your time, or to avoid doing my own searches. I have looked for myself and come up empty handed. The claims I’m seeing fly in the face of what grad says their standard is, what their modlog bear their standard out to be and my own limited experience with grad users.
I am posting here not to start a fight or waste peoples time, but because I’m open to being wrong and want to find out more.
Can you show me the comments calling for race based nuclear holocaust? If you can’t, can you point me to the instance I should search on or whose modlog I should look on to find them?
Really!? 17 hours of looking and you still haven't found the reason they were defederated!? Remind me not to hire you as a research assistant. That sort of willful belligerence isn't very useful. I should start calling you Clayton Bigsby.
It’s starting to look like there isn’t any…
I’ve really tried to be kind and courteous to people when asking about this stuff but the level of pushback and runaround just in response to my comments in this thread are absurd.
When someone doesn’t see the thing you say is happening, what’s the big deal with showing them?
I’m not trying to win an argument or waste anyone’s time (a person could argue I’m wasting my own).
If there are posts espousing the tenets of national socialism, hating the working class or calling for nuclear genocide why not just link them?
I’m trying in what little free time I have to find evidence but it’s not forthcoming! I have to cast a wide net and that makes the search slow. If you know what to look for or where to look, tell me!
Unless of course it’s all made up…
Well then you better take your conspiracy to the lemmy.world admins fast! They need to know they were wrong. Better hurry! Don't want innocent little goosesteppers unable to post here!
I'm sorry we separated you from your fascist fuck buddies.
Why are you so disingenuously belligerent?
Off you go, you've got important things to discuss with the lemmy.world admins. I'm sure they're eager to hear about your lack of findings. They'll want to act on those immediately.
I don’t wanna snitch to your mods and I don’t care who they defederate or why.
I want to see the thing that you’re claiming since its so wildly different from what I’ve experienced and dug up.
If grad is Nazis that’s a big deal. Why not take even the smallest step to show how?
Well you won't find them on an instance defederated from them. I can't help you if you want to look for fish in the sky.
Why won't you make the minimal amount of effort to find what you're looking for by looking in the right places?
For somone so concerned about the oppression of Nazis you sure do spend a lot of time not doing anything about it.
I’m not asking for evidence of the stuff that caused world to defederate from grad, I’m asking you to provide just the barest hint of direction about where to find evidence for your claims made in response to my comment in this thread which you posted.
You don’t think the trustworthy person making the accusation is the right place to start?
I know you are. You're disingenuously trying to assert that the position I hold and is held by hundreds of other users who agreed with the defederation and have seen evidence first hand that you're individual opinion is relevant. It's not. They were removed for cause, your lack of cognizance in the matter is a you problem, and I'm not wasting my time shedding the ignorance of the wilfully ignorant.
In other words, you're barking up the wrong tree.
If you were legitimately concerned instead of trying to push your agenda you'd be capable of finding what you need.
So far I’ve only been trying in vain to get you to provide a shred of evidence for your claim that grad users adhere to the tenets of national socialism and hate the working class. I even expanded it to pointing me in the direction of where to find it so you wouldn’t have to see something triggering or go offsite.
You can’t call me willfully ignorant in anything approaching good faith when I show the work I’ve done to educate myself about your claims and ask for help and you instead call me belligerent.
As I said before, I’m not trying to argue against the defederation. World can and has defederated from all kinds of instances for all kinds of reasons. That’s not what I’m interested in.
OK Clayton.
I guess this post is calling me a white supremacist?
All through this thread I’m focused on learning what you have to share and in all your replies you obfuscate, try to change the subject, insult and accuse me of crazy stuff like this.
If you have anything to back up your claim that grad has adherents to the tenets of national socialism or users that hate the working class, please post it.
What do you get when you have 10 people at a table with one Nazi?
11 Nazis. Even if you refuse to look at them.
Okay so point at them so I can’t look away then.
Show even a sliver of evidence that grad users adhere to the tenets of national socialism or hate the working class.
I haven’t for one second tried to avoid evidence or deny it when presented.
Mostly because it was not presented.
But even if you were to say something like “well, there was this one thread with a title like blah blah and some grad users of banned for hate speech in it” that would be better than what you’re doing now, which is calling me names, accusing me of being a Nazi, making the accusation that I’m just not paying attention to what’s around me.
In the time we’ve been commenting back and forth you could have registered a sock puppet on grad, posted some Nazi shit and pointed to it!
So if you can even gesture in the direction of grad users who uphold the tenet of national socialism and say they hate the working class, why not do it? Why not prove your statements? Why deflect and try to change the subject and accuse and call names?
Why can’t you just back up what you say in even the tiniest way?
Where is it?
You said there’s grad users that adhere to the tenets of national socialism and who hate the working class. Show me where.
Do anything but deflect, insult or accuse.
What do you tell a Nazi with two black eyes? Nothing, you've already told them twice.
That’s funny and you’re maybe missing why I want to see the Nazis:
I hate Nazis as much as you’re purporting to. If a place that seems by all I can tell extremely anti Nazi is actually Nazis I want to know!
If you want to get the word out about the crypto Nazi grad users then do it! Shame them!
Show me the grad users that are posting about how they support the tenets of national socialism or how they hate the working class!
There's a whole instance of evidence, you don't see it as evidence because you agree with it.
Okay so you’re talking about all of grad right?
So I should be able to easily search for things like “national socialism” “working class” and some different permutations of the 25 points and have the proof, right?
But looking for those things doesn’t bring up users talking about how they uphold the tenets or hate the working class. I found people talking about how those ideas are bad and arguing about weather hating some identity means you hate the working class, but no one seriously saying that they hate the working class or that they agree with national socialism.
So that’s why I’m here, asking the same question over and over of someone who now just responds with images.
Is there some equivalency being implied here to say that communists and Nazis are the same?
Mainly because fuck you.
We know what you're doing.
There's a huge astroturfing campaign going on in Lemmy.World. Just kick these rightwingers' teeth in.