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How do you call someone born in the US besides "American"?
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The sovereign people of any nation have a right to call themselves what they please. People of the US decided on 'American' long before the Internet was a thing and Latin America people got pissed off. US intervention in Latin America is a stain in history, but this is categorically dumb. US citizens call themselves Americans because it's in the name. Literally. Canadians don't call themselves Americans and never will. This is dumb argument. Respectfully.
First off, this wasn't supposed to be an argument, just a question. My native language has a specific word for them (and some other languages have too) and I got curious if english itself had such a thing.
Maybe it's because people say "America" and everybody instantly thinks of the USA, even though you're just another country in the whole continent? For these people you are stealing the word "american" and changing its meaning. People from Asia have the word "asian", people in Europe got "european", people in Africa got "african", but we? We don't have a meaningful word anymore. And I'm not saying it's your fault or even it's a fault of your founding fathers. I'm just trying to tell you why these people get mad.
There is no continent called "America". We have North America and South America.
When someone says "South American" I don't think Alabama I think Brazil or Argentina.
The term "North American" is commonly used when you're describing something that applies to both Canada and the US. Eg. "North American sports teams".
We commonly use the term "Central American" when referring to Mexico, El Salvador, etc. because even though they are technically in North America there is a strong cultural divide, similar to how the middle East is technically Asia, but you'd never refer to someone from Saudi Arabia as "Asian".
Mexico is also in North America though, not in Central America.
LATAM are usually pissy about the term "Americans" because the "geographical division" colloquially seem to be more of a third vs. first world division rather than a geographical division.
You can see how people from LATAM usually call themselves "americanos" to include everyone from The Americas, but Canada and USA think "North America" doesn't include Mexico.
It's understandable for El Salvador, but México it's absolutely part of North America.
If most people say Korea they mean South Korea. That's because North Korea is far less likely the thing to be referenced, so you need to go out of your way to specify North if you actually mean that instead of South.
Same goes for all kinds of things.
The Korean people are one, regardless of the political situation there.
Other peoples in the Americas have been denied even their right to call themselves part of the continent.
Cool, but my Korean phone wasn't designed by a company based in Pyongyang. And go ahead and ask a Canadian how they feel about being called "American".
North American, Central American, and South American are all terms you can use similarly to European, Asian, or African.
I don't think anyone is denying them the right to call themselves American if they so choose, but as this whole conversation illustrates, the term is incredibly ambiguous. When the argument is that "American" could mean anyone from the Americas, that effectively covers the entire western hemisphere which is a bit nonsensical to me. The point they're trying to make is exactly the problem. There are lots of Americas.
Frankly, I don't understand why this is so much of an issue. There's no continental culture and solidarity connecting the northern tips of Canada to the southernmost parts of Chile. Nobody is trying to erase a deep historical culture of America being one group of people. Why are these people trying so hard to create a continental identity that doesn't culturally exist? I honestly think the point is to take the term "American" away from US Americans just because.
I've never heard of a person from Peru or Brazil or Guatemala deeply yearning to call themselves "American" meaning somewhere in North or South America, but refraining from doing so because they feel marginalized. Feeling marginalized isn't why they don't do it, they don't do it because saying "I'm American" meaning continents is useless. You might as well say "I'm from somewhere on the west side of the Atlantic." The term "American" becomes pointless if you mean it that broadly. Imagine someone from the other side of the Atlantic saying "I'm Eurasiafrican". There's no culture that connects all of those peoples, it would just be a pointless moniker.
Do South and Central American words not exist in spanish? Soy de Sudamérica. Soy de Centroamérica. As the other comment said, this question is not ambiguous at all. And I know why people get mad, they hate the US, which I understand because they're assholes. No one will deny it. Ask any self respecting american and they will agree.
But with all due respect, this is a dumb ass question. Respectfully.
In southern European tradition (which ends up in Latin America), those are not continents but regions. America is the Continent.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continent
Answer to the last part of your statement
Huh? That article backs me up?
I'm sorry, I thought you were talking about the regions that matter. We already knew Latin Americans refer to it as one. Unfortunately, you have to convince Americans to change their adjective to whatever it is latinos prefer. Good luck with that.
Edit: if my point wasn't clear enough, it doesn't matter what romance language speaking countries call the Americas (North and South). You can see that from the same article you cherry picked the info you copied and paste above
Why are you arguing against yourself? In the comment I replied to you asked if we didn't have a word for South American, and we do, it just doesn't mean the same (edit: because those aren't continents in the Continental model used back when the Americas were being colonized). I'm not sure what you're arguing anymore other than trolling.
That was a rhetorical question about south America. I know the regions and I know what the continents are. I don't need you to explain them to me. Is that all you were trying to say or do you have another point?
Are you using google translate?
No, just fat fingered a bunch of words and didn't check.
Y en español les decimos estadounidenses. Porque son los putos Estados Unidos, y se la calan porque los cabrones no tienen la decencia de ser amables con sus vecinos.
En español deberían decir estadounidenses, que es el gentilicio que tienen en este idioma.
En inglés es batalla perdida.
Puedo harcerte una pregunta? si eres de mexico, te llamarias americano? Querrias hacerlo? Soy de los Estados Unidos y no me importa si te llamas americano, pero no se por que querrias. Yo diria que "soy norteamericano" o "soy latinoamericano".
(Lo siento si mi espanol es malo, estoy aprendiendo).
No soy mexicano, pero hablando en español, si (en los mismos contextos que un francés diría que es europeo, por ejemplo). América es el nombre tradicional del Continente completo.
I'm not Mexican. But in general, as I said in another comment, Americano is in Spanish a politically charged term. South America was plain America way before North America was a thing. American is used by the left for the historical reclaim of ancestral origins. American is used to impose USA cultural hegemony over the whole continent. It's somewhat complex at times. But yes, if I had to contrast my identity against, let's say a European, Asian or African person, I would refer to myself as American. That said, I would probably have to clarify that I am Latin American. Because of said USA cultural hegemony.
Canadians actually emphasize north American culture when they talk about stuff they've got in common with us as opposed to trying to make "united statesian" work like the Spanish speakers
No argument is being made in the post.
It goes back to the colonies. In the British Empire the continental colonies were "the American colonies," so British subjects from said colonies were called "Americans" for upwards of 200 years prior to the revolution. After the revolution, since Halifax was the only major continental port that remained in British hands, it made sense to call its colonists something else, while those to the south retained the name "Americans."
Conversely, the Caribbean possessions were called "The West Indies" or "The West Indies Station."
US intervention in the the rest of America isn't ancient history. It's happening right now.