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Gordon is an animal murderer. All carnist chefs are. And carnists in general.
Judge not etc. It's okay to be passionate, but the world is pretty complicated rights now and living ethically isn't easy.
I didn't say being an animal murderer is bad. If you think animal murder isn't okay then that's on you.
Yeah, that's fair. I'm definitely struggling because I think I should give up meat, but I really don't think I can. I've loved meat for my whole life and it's a huge ask, plus the vegan months I've tried have been horribly grueling.
I do try to only spend my money in positive ways though and boycott a lot of places I don't agree with.
But I guess you're right to an extent, if it's not hard work, it's not really a statement/commitment. Although boycotting the after eight game at Christmas for not supporting nestle was a challenge.
I don't understand what's gruelling about veganism. Roast potatoes, fried mushrooms, spaghetti and pasta, yummy tofu cooked in soy sauce with spices, chips, pizza, hamburgers, ramen, coffee, hot chocolate, trail mix, sandwiches, and toast are all or all can be vegan and are plenty cheap.
Sigh... Where to begin? Biology, perhaps? The human body is omnivorous meaning we can live off both plants and meat, though a normal healthy diet (outside modern replacements) requires some meat / fish. We don't eat meat because we're evil, we eat meat because we can and well, also should.
You can be a vegan now thanks to modern society and I applaud you if you make that choice but stop the "better than thou" act already. If modern society falls I'd like to see the vegans after about a year; they're either dead or ex vegan.
If killing animals for food is evil then all cats, lions, dogs, and generally all predators are evil.
If you want to realistically improve the lives of farm animals, then go for laws on better treatment while they live.
I eat meat and try to reduce my consumption because I recognize industrial meat production is wasteful, causes needed suffering, and has a big ecological footprint.
Who cares about vegans if modern society fails apocalyptically? I'd rather work to prevent such an event and a huge part of the population would be doomed regardless of their diet. I salute those putting in the extra effort to be fully vegetarian/vegan even if I don't quite agree with some of their extremist militantism.
Our efforts would likely be better placed encouraging more people to reduce their meat consumption. It's a more realistic goal and can have a big impact.
Truly the greatest reason anyone has had to do anything.
Because we evolved to do it? Are you saying we should do every single thing we evolved to do? Let me just go shit in the woods and die in childbirth then I guess
Gee fucking whiz, maybe the morality of an action depends on context and the available choices. Maybe doing unpleasant things to survive in an apocalypse is actually completely reasonable. Or maybe, just maybe, killing someone to save your own life is still bad.
Evil is a choice. The sun isn't evil for giving people skin cancer. Volcanoes and hurricanes aren't evil. And neither are nonsapient animals that can't just choose to eat meat. If you want to be treated as the equal of a cat then go shit in sand and live off mice. Or, use your big brain to actually do something good.
Yeah, sure. Let's start with a few simple policies to help out the animals: no milking, no forced pregnancy, no genetic engineering to make them lay eggs every day, and no killing. That should help the animals out.