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Yes. It is not about Elon. It's about the doomed nature of BEVs. Any technology that can give you a £17,000 repair bill just because it is wet means it is not a viable technology. Though it's sad that people have been fooled by Elon's bullshit about his companies. Which is why stories like this come up. Ultimately, BEVs are dead-end and this cannot be changed. It will be a matter of when BEVs are abandoned in the marketplace, not if.
EDIT: Again, no amount of lying to yourself will change reality. BEVs are a dead-end and always will be.
So a poorly made electric vehicle by one manufacturer means that the entire field is non-viable?
EDIT: Lmao, check out this guy's posts, every single comment is shitting on battery EVs and shilling hydrogen vehicles. I don't know how much you're being paid to shill for the fossil fuel industry, but I hope it's enough.
How many people are shilling for the BEV industry or Tesla? It is the biggest greenwashing scam of our time. Someone has to say something. You have reality reversed. It's the pro-BEV people that are shills.
All BEVs from everyone will have the same issues.
EDIT: Lying to yourself will not change reality. A BEV will never be a low-resource type of vehicles. It is a matter of when, not if, it falls apart as an idea.
Brilliant analysis
Explain to me how a car with a $20,000 battery can ever avoid a repair job of $20,000 once the battery dies? This is a problem that everyone will face.
And in America, the land of SUVs and pick-up trucks, these costs will be even higher.
EDIT: You won't change economics by lying to yourself. BEVs are simply not viable. At least, not anything with a big battery.
This isn't about the battery dying. It's about Tesla failing miserably at building a water resistant enclosure for their batteries, them pretending that it's somehow the customers fault.
It's both about the shittiness of Tesla, and the eventually doom of all BEVs. If you think companies like Ford or VW won't be building shit BEVs too, then I have a bridge to sell to you.
EDIT: Again, no amount of lying to yourself or others will save the BEV. It is doomed and always will be. If anything, you are just delaying real solutions to climate change.
Be honest. Are you paid off or are you just insane?
Joe Biden just announced a huge pro-hydrogen program? Is he paid off or insane?
It's time to ask yourself honestly: Why do you oppose green technology that happens to not be your favored technology? Perhaps you can reach a realization here.
Yes
Basically every left-leaning politician on Earth would have be too, in your mind.
Biden is NOT left lmao
Plenty of governments in Europe are investing in hydrogen.
So? You're correct that the fossil lobby is also anal deep in EU country politicians. Also, like 90% IF EU isn't left either.
Then you have basically no one that actually support your particular position. Except this one guy who is a Fascist. Not exactly great company.
Lmao, even your fake story isn't straight anymore. I fucking hate Musk, there are more EVs than Tesla.
Then stop believing his lies. You still worship the BEV and cannot imagine an alternative. That's the problem here.
I don't believe anything Musk says. Good thing there are other EVs that are good.
Those other BEVs are just other car companies chasing the subsidies. Once you get over Musk's lies, you'll realize that the market is not an organic one. It is just an artificial market created by the government. Most people don't want a BEV.
No, because not every left leaning politician is dumb enough to think hydrogen is a viable option.
There's nearly nobody left on the political left that still oppose hydrogen. Maybe you'll find an occasional weirdo, but that's about it. You're just out of touch here.
Because hydrogen isn't as green as you might think.
Most ways of creating hydrogen involve toxic chemicals that pollute almost as much as ICE cars.
And the green ways of creating it lose about 30% of the energy put into it. Energy that could have been used to ... charge a battery directly.
And there's one way to get to zero emissions. Just like a BEV. The criticism is just a lot of BS from BEV companies.
Neither wind nor solar is all that efficient. Why hasn't anyone on the left come out and vigorous oppose them?
Because that's stupid, and frankly it is just climate change denial at this point. Something you are doing now.
It is quite easy.
A battery like that lasts longer than the car. It may not have done in the past, but it does do so today.
And if it breaks before then, you only need to replace a single cell to fix it.
Afterwards, you can just recycle and reuse those exotic metals used in its construction, so it doesn't require more pollution to create.
Much of that is wishful thinking. All batteries will die, and the repair cost will be insane. Not to mention it all applies to FCEVs and at a much lower cost and lower resource base.
It's not one giant battery, but arrays of smaller batteries. At least that has been my experience with them. Battery goes bad and you replace that array. Not 20k but closer to 2k.
That is you, that is how deranged you sound.
A cellphone is not a car. Nor is a personal computer.
A BEV has fundamental problems that cannot be solved. It's worth noting that they are an older idea than combustion cars. It is in many ways, totally obsolete.
Funny, cause an combustion car has a lot bigger issues that can not be fixed and need to be addressed right now.
Which shares the same problems with hydrogen cars, btw.
FCEVs don't have the problem of combustion cars. It is the natural follow-up to them.
How much do you think a new PEM fuel cell stack costs?
About US$110,000 as it turns out.
A fuel cell stack has a few hundred dollars worth of platinum. The rest is just conventional materials like steel or plastic. Not very expensive. The whole stack is very small too, weighing just 50kg for an average car.
So with mass production, it will be less than a combustion engine. You'll get more savings by getting rid of the transmission and catalytic convertor. You pencil out the cost, and going with "first principles," the whole vehicle will be the same or less than a conventional ICE car.
Yes, and an EV battery has a few hundreds of dollars worth of materials in it too, but somehow they're always going to be tens of thousands of dollars and fuel cells will get cheaper due to mass production?
Actually no. It has thousands of dollars of raw materials in it. That's why BEVs can't go behind a certain cost floor. But FCEVs can.
I don't think the people buying Teslas are doing so because they believe them to be an economically viable option. They're buying Teslas for the brand recognition/design more than anything.