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Muslim and Arab Americans say their support was critical to Biden’s winning Michigan in 2020. Some warn they won’t back him again over his blanket support for Israel.

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[-] danielton@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 42 points 1 year ago

It's possible to be angry at both Republicans and Democrats.

[-] Neato@kbin.social 79 points 1 year ago

But you still must vote for the one likely to do you the least harm if you don't want to get fucked. White Biden sucks he's objectively better than Trump for Muslim Americans. Trump was talking about deporting and blocking them from entering.

[-] FMT99@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Not everyone thinks from a position of harm reduction. If you see a president stand up and speak out in favor of (in your eyes) genocide then you may not react to that ”rationally".

If you're protest voting on principle but not also joining more... radical... organizations that are actually working towards your desires, you're just being foolish.

[-] FMT99@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Lots of voters ate foolish. And there's something to be said for the fact that voting for the lesser evil keeps evil in power. Not saying that's me but I do understand the sentiment.

Which is why you either do something about it or suck it up and vote for the lesser.

Just don't do nothing and then pretend you're taking a stand.

[-] danielton@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz -4 points 1 year ago

I'm not convinced having a lost Roomba who utters racist bullshit and hands countries over to terrorist organizations is a good pick. If it's Biden and Trump again, I am either not going to vote or go third party. I cannot in good conscience vote for either of them.

[-] Red_October@lemmy.world 33 points 1 year ago

In a First Past the Post voting system, refusing to vote, or voting 3rd party, is numerically the same as an extra vote for the candidate you hate the most. It's just one more vote closer to victory that your opposition gets.

Neither party is great, there's plenty to dislike about both, but it's patently obvious that one is far more harmful than the other.

[-] stu@lemmy.pit.ninja 17 points 1 year ago

Well it's not really numerically the same as voting for the candidate you hate the most, it's numerically the same as not voting. And to be honest, it really only matters if you're in a potential swing state. And I'm saying this as someone who still votes despite having lived in a deep red state where my presidential vote always doesn't matter (but I go anyway because down ballot votes do matter and I might as well vote the whole ballot).

[-] njm1314@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Muslim population is significant in certain swing states.

[-] stu@lemmy.pit.ninja 1 points 1 year ago

I agree, any loss of votes in a swing state could theoretically be significant.

[-] sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 year ago

Same, but a blue state. It really doesn't matter who I vote for, or if I vote at all, when it comes to the president. I can't remember the last time I enjoyed voting for president, and I've voted for decades. I often think about just bowing out of the whole voting scam, but then there's always local shit that gets me to do the deed.

[-] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago

In the sort of two-party system they have in the US, it really is one or the another

[-] danielton@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz -3 points 1 year ago

And yet they both do the shit they accuse the other side of.

[-] sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 year ago

The Republicans attempted a coup.

So since Trump exists, we should be happy with mediocrity? Nothing will ever get fixed in this country with this binary political system.

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