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Indigenous leaders break their silence, call referendum defeat 'appalling and mean-spirited' (www.abc.net.au)

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[-] stifle867@programming.dev 7 points 11 months ago

some leaders now want an Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice established without constitutional change or legislation

What does this mean? I thought one of the campaign points was that due to being included in the constitution it couldn't be dismantled like it has time and time again previously. Wouldn't this just be more of the same?

As disappointing as it is I really don't see a way forward after losing a popular vote.

[-] Gorgritch_umie_killa@aussie.zone 7 points 11 months ago

For the pollies, i reckon you're right, there is no clear way forward. I think it'll be on the States to take a leading role.

I heard during the week, the problem with a referendum is its a blunt yes/no answer. So we'll never really know what people were actually saying no to. Focus groups and surveys will only get us so far. Makes it hard to know where to go next.

[-] stifle867@programming.dev 3 points 11 months ago

Exactly, and when the question posed was open to so much interpretation everyone has their own idea of what they voted yes/no for. It wasn't like the "gay marriage yes or no" referendum that was clearly understood by most people. Such a mistake to call it "the voice". Isn't that a TV show?

[-] DeltaTangoLima@reddrefuge.com 6 points 11 months ago

the “gay marriage yes or no” referendum

Small nitpick: it was a plebiscite - not a referendum. Our marriage laws aren't contained in the Constitution, so a referendum wasn't required.

[-] stifle867@programming.dev 4 points 11 months ago

Didn't even realise that, thank you.

[-] DeltaTangoLima@reddrefuge.com 2 points 11 months ago

With the sheer volume of political nonsense surrounding the question at the time, it sure felt like a referendum!

[-] Gorgritch_umie_killa@aussie.zone 3 points 11 months ago

Haha, it was a mistake to call it the Voice. I'm waiting for the Got Talent commission to get going.

Unfortunately the nature of the constitution meaned that it needed to be a bit vague. But that was always one of its strengths. Over time, as life changes, the nation isn't codified into too strict a system. The Voice reflected that essence very well.

[-] unionagainstdhmo@aussie.zone 4 points 11 months ago

They could create an organisation which represents all First Nations Peoples through a series of treaties and just make loud public statements. By being a representation of all First Nations Peoples their opinions would carry some weight.