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About 100,000 turn out in London for pro-Palestine rally
(www.theguardian.com)
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Maybe if terrorists didn't hide behind human shields, Israel would've been accused of far less war crimes. Grabbing a toddler after setting off a bomb and murdering a crowd is basically Hamas' strategy.
Maybe if Israel hadn't been doing everything they could to drive Palestinians from their land for decades they wouldn't have helped grow these terrorist groups that are lashing out at them.
Do we know who actually fired the first shot back in 1948? The UN shat on the Palestinians by giving half their land to Israel, clearly neither side was happy about it, but who shot first? It's been tit for tat ever since, and clearly the Palestinians have come off far worse.
Tit for tat ever since.... with Israel receiving plenty of international support and an Iron Curtain supplied by the US.
It doesn't matter if Mike and Steve have been going at each other since Elementary school. If Mike grows up to be Mike Tyson and Steve grows up to be an accountant, then Mike is the bigger asshole if he keeps coming around to punch Steve in the face, and screams "See? He deserves it! Both Sides!" if Steve gets lucky sucker punch in on occasion.
All I see from you is pro terrorist bullshit. Fuck Hamas and I hope Israel kills every Hamas sack of shit out there. Hamas at this point could do the right thing and surrender, and spare the civilians, but they're too cowardly to do that.
All you see from me is Anti Israeli Government bullshit. When the Israeli government spends decades committing crimes against humanity the end result is not a surprise. When no one listens to the suffering of Palestinians what options are they left with?
I call bullshit, on several fronts with what you said. Decades of crimes against humanity is unsubstantiated. What you call crimes against humanity is likely debatable at best and an outright lie at the worst. Hamas is a terrorist organization, and I agree with the sentiment that "Palestinians" are an invention from the last century. You have people who moved to the area under the Ottoman Empire, and the world decided back in 1947 that Israel shall again be a nation. When you have the despicable acts of the PLO and extremist organizations spring up from what appeared to be peaceful coexistence, this narrative about the light of Palestinians and the "freedom fighters" who cut infants' heads off can go pound sand.
I don't want the innocents harmed either, but I do believe Hamas must be exterminated. If that means flattening a building that they're hiding in and using human shields, so be it. The people who support Hamas are making their bed, and we should not be surprised by the humanitarian crisis going on when the cowardly Hamas militants hide behind innocent families.
Exterminate Hamas, that's my take on it. Don't like it? Too fucking bad, it's going to happen anyway and you can wring your lying hands all you want.
So Israel is an invention from the last century?
If there's a hostage situation and someone on the sidelines is screaming "Shoot the hostages! As long as you kill the criminals!" That person is a fucking monster. (And possibly racist as fuck if those hostages are a minority.)
One that was internationally recognized and awarded sovereignty. Palestine was never a nation, and was agreed to be assimilated into Israel while retaining their culture and identity. It was when coexistence wasn't enough and the insane extremists decided Jews should be eradicated.
You're ignoring several realities about the cowardice of Hamas and the shitty situation they PUT their civilians in. Nobody wants to "shoot the hostage" as you so ignorantly put it. The only monsters here are the people saying anything positive or justifiable about Hamas' actions.
Ah, so the issue you have with Palestine is that it isn't recognized internationally? Then I guess similar to Hong Kong and Taiwan, people need to organize protests to try to get it recognized internationally... oh hey, they original article was about people protesting in support of Palestine (not Hamas), imagine that!
Explain the difference between "Shoot the Hostages to kill the criminal" and "Flatten the building innocent people are in to kill the criminal":
Nobody here is saying anything positive about Hamas. I am just not ignorant of the fact that since 2008 there has been 20 times more Palestinian deaths (6407) than Israeli (308), and a even higher ratio of Palestinian Injuries (152 260) vs Israeli (6307)
https://www.ochaopt.org/data/casualties
I challenge you to find a time frame in that data where Israeli deaths/injuries outnumber Palestinians.
Hamas are pieces of shit. Nobody is disputing that. I don't need to come here and argue that Hamas are pieces of shit because everyone agrees.
Can we all agree Hamas is shit? Yes? Okay, moving on:
Israel is 20 times the piece of shit Hamas is because Israel is doing 20 times as much damage. If there are 2 fires burning out of control, and one is 20 times larger than the other, the larger one requires more attention and should be prioritized first.
Yes, Hamas needs to be stopped, but Israel is much higher priority to stop because they are doing a lot more damage to innocent people.
I could point out the Israeli escalations that happened only after the violence started against them, but you'll just keep this going in circles. Downvoted, and ignored. Have a nice life in delusion. I'll be rooting for the IDF to wipe out as much Hamas scum as possible, and you can just accept that you aren't changing minds like you wish you could.
"Every time Hamas kills someone Isreal kills 20 people in response. Why can't you see Israel is the "Good Guys" here and this will clearly stop Hamas?!"