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The purpose of this community is sort of a "work out your frustrations by letting it all out" where different leftist tendencies can vent their frustrations with one another and more assertively and directly challenge one another. Hostility is allowed, but any racist, fascist, or reactionary crap wont be tolerated, nor will explicit threats.
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I'm aware of my own post is this some sort of got cha?
Are you talking about when y'all openly bash anarchist? Calling them libs?
Yeah I'm not really cool with that.
Your comment has no real critique of my ideology. Just shows that isn't room here for anarachist of any kind.
You're currently commenting in Lemmygrad, an explicitly ML instance, in the "leftist infighting" community.
Your post above was in Hexbear, a "left unity" instance, which has rules against sectarianism.
If you're not interested in seeing posts critical of anarchism, it might be better to block this community, or avoid those discussions/posts in Lemmygrad.
"Don't critique what I believe, don't tell me what to dooooooo" is like a fortress of rhetorical immunity for some people, as long as they complain loud enough about how everyone else is bad and that they're "disappointed" in them.
Y'all aren't critizing idoleogy y'all are just calling me a lib or an angry teenager...
This comment once again has no real critique. Am I not allowed to complain?
Y'all didn't either. From the start this was "you guys suck how dare you criticize what I believe" posting.
I am not even sure you have an examined and understood ideology at this point, just vibes.
Your hypocrisy is amazing here considering your "y'all" condemnations that are centered on how you don't like your particular takes being complained about.
What anarchist books have you read that you thought were good
Sarcastically: I'm a bit of an expert on anarchism you see. I once read a meme on r/complete@narchy back in the day
I can deal with post critizing anarchy. I'm just not seeing that. Alls I see are post calling anarchist fake. Or calling them libs. Or calling them angry teenagers.
Soo what it sounds like is there isn't room for anarchist on lemmygrad? Are you willing to share with me some critiques of anarchism that are not based in literal name calling?
Cuz I will read, but I'm not gonna stick around and get called a lib over and over again.
We are calling fake anarchists fake. No one said anarchists as a whole were fake. Why are you taking this personally. All the way from the title (self styled “anarchists”) it should’ve been clear it was criticizing a specific type of person laying false claim to the ideology of anarchism, not the whole.
OK but these are the only posts I see on here regarding anarchy. I see pretty Much "anarkiddys" And things like "anarchist just wanna be petty Bourgeoisie". Or memes just talking trash.
This alone doesn't convey that there are accept able forms of anarchy on this community. Its just bashing.
No it doesn’t, I don’t know why you interpret it that way. Suggesting someone we don’t like has illegitimate claim to an ideology suggests someone we like has legitimate claim to it. Imagine Alex Jones says “these “conservatives” in the White House are evil,” it should be clear he likes conservatism but thinks neocons have an illegitimate claim to it.
I guess... Although I'm a little confused.
But this is different than the OP. This clearly differentiates a sub group. The conservatives in white
If I said these "conservatives" are full of shit. It kinda critizes the term "conservative" as well. And those who call themselves that.
Once again, while I see your point. I still haven't seen a earnest critique of anarchy on this community. Maybe you can link one?
For good critiques I’d suggest State and Revolution by Lenin, parts of Gramsci’s writing (listen to Marx Madness podcast), some of Huey’s writings, and Stalin’s Anarchism or socialism (a bit harsh, but gets the point across), among others in this thread.
One thing which always struck me from Marx's critiques of the Paris commune- that the various sections didn't come to the aid of eachother, and allowed the whole revolution to be defeated in detail. Some of the most cutting critiques anarchists have of AES states have been pretty much of exactly that mistake being repeated- it just played out on the scale of nations rather than within a city.
Thank you for the recommendation.
Again, Lemmygrad and Hexbear are different websites with different rules.
If you're interested in being accepted as an anarchist, Hexbear would be more welcoming.
I'm not responding to you to argue with you, I'm trying to help you have a less frustrating lemmy experience.
I see. Thanks.
Only you are allowed to make blanket statements about other ideologies. Only you.
When you make one besides your "you all suck, but you're not allowed to stereotype me based on my hot takes" take, maybe. Not looking good so far.
My critique of this community is there no room for anarchist here of any kind.
Which i stated above.
I don't think you speak for the entirety of anarchism. Your version of it hasn't yet presented anything here except "you guys suck" and "how dare you criticize what I believe" hypocrisy takes.
I'm fairly sure there are several well respected anarchists on Lemmygrad.
You seem to be making a judgement based on one post, which you seem to have interpreted to mean something very different to what I thought it was saying. It comes off a little bit wrecker tbh, considering the 'anarchist' in the op is clearly qualified.
If you did want an ML critique of anarchism, you could try: https://en.prolewiki.org/wiki/Library:Anarchism_or_socialism%3F
We’re calling libs who call themselves “anarchists” libs. Most of us have not condemned all anarchists.