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New Speaker Mike Johnson suddenly can’t remember his anti-LGBTQ+ comments
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Honestly? All Congressional Republicans are absolutely vile cretins. I'll take "Pretending to not be as vile as he is" over "Openly pushing his vileness to the max" at this juncture.
Just another year and a few months, I tell myself. Then the House will be blue again.
Nah, I don't want the pretending. At least when they are open about it it's easy to see and call out.
It’s the death of a euphemism when that happens and it’s rarely good. I want him speaking in euphemisms because it means he catches flak for outright saying what he wants.
Gotta disagree, because it’s always seemed to me that the death of a euphemism theory is a bit off, in that it’s mistaking a road sign for an actual turn.
Yes, when that happens it portends bad things, but I’d argue the act of mask-dropping isn’t a catalyst but a high water mark. Normally when fascists drop the mask, it’s because they believe public sentiment is already so far in their favour that they no longer need to maintain appearances.
If they do it too early, they may lose their populist tide, which imo should be encouraged. Delaying it only pushes the peanut farther, allowing them to brainwash more people. eta: The problem will have to be dealt with eventually; best do it before they’re confident in their support.
(I think I’ve got most common metaphors out of my system now.)
When they're pretending it means they're willing to acknowledge the shame of their immoral stance. It's when they stop pretending that they openly go after these things and dare anyone to try to stop them. Normalizing their hatred and bigotry really isn't preferable, it's a step toward enabling even worse behavior on their part.
It’s not shame that’s been slowing them down, though, it’s fear their base isn’t sufficiently radicalised to accept full fascism. Some percentage of their base would vote them out if they dropped the mask.
At least we’ll find out whether that’s true if they stop pussyfooting about.
I get the argument, but there's plenty of hard evidence. Calling it out is important when it can weaken them - such as near election time. Otherwise, their silence and denial is better than normalizing further backsliding to the general public, imo
I hate that I have to keep saying that.
I was an election volunteer once with an old guy who described himself as a liberal republican and loudly and repeatedly complained "I didn't leave the party, the party left me."
He seemed alright.
Republicans used to be just in favor of lower taxes, oppressing minorities, pollution, war and small government. Oh… hmm, now they’re still in favor of most of that but they just to pretend to be about a couple of them.
Guy was in his 80s, and this was a few years ago. It's not inconceivable that he started associating with the Republican Party in the days of Dewey and Ike, when liberal republicanism was still a thing.
In any case, I don't disagree with your broader point about modern Republicans being literal fascists.
My dad is 88 and was a staunch Republican until Reagan. I remember the Reagan/Carter election – even the date, 6 November 1980, stuck in my little ten-year-old mind. It was my dad’s birthday, and he voted for Reagan.
That was the last Republican he voted for, and he’s liberal AF now. They say people get more conservative as they grow older, and that may be true for boomers (I’m lucky to have no boomers in my family; we skipped from the Silent Generation straight to GenX), but everyone I know old enough to have any real memory of WWII or its aftermath have swung pretty left.
I remember bringing up an article to him before the 2016* election where Holocaust survivors had released an open letter saying they’d experienced real fascism and trump’s rhetoric was Capital F Fascism, and how the general reaction to the letter was that it was hyperbole. He said he agreed with the letter 100%.
It’s only got worse since. This was never about trump; he’s just their carnival barker, and will be replaced if he goes down. This is a bona fide fascist movement, and ignoring it only makes it stronger.
Tldr: totally agree.
e: clarified with year.
e2: If this were 1932 and you were in Weimar Germany, knowing what you know now, what would you do? We should be asking ourselves and everyone this question.
Yeah, that's kinda how my dad is. Fiscally conservative but supports civil rights. That said, he isn't fully against government welfare programs, but he always wants to know where the money is coming from before backing a new government program.
I mean, I get that... but also, if the party left you but you still vote for the party, then they didn't actually leave you. You tagged along.
People like him need to drop the label "Republican" and stop voting Republican if they really think the party left them. Otherwise they're full of shit.
People who say that usually don't vote for the party in the general election, at least not reliably. Many hold out a hope, however naive, that their advocacy and primary votes, and that of people like them, can reverse the rot.
Openly vile is far better, honestly. People need to start seeing these fascists for what they are, and that won’t happen if they’re hiding behind a façade.
Surprised you think the house will ever be blue again. Pretty sure we’re fucked mate, we can’t beat fascists with kids gloves.
Please we have a sitting Democrat president who has a history of voting against LGBT causes
Yea after all the damage he has done with red lining, the klan , gay rights and so on. He is just as bad as he always was
People can have changes of heart, and we shouldn’t vilify them if they’re sincere in their repentance.
If MAGA and/or Q fanatics say today ‘you know what, I was wrong’ we shouldn’t berate them for what they believed in 2017, we should thank them for coming to reason. Doing otherwise makes them dig in their heels and run back to the comfort of their cult.
Anyone is capable of bettering themselves, and we should help them change if they’re willing.
How long are we supposed to hold these grudges? Or are you just looking for a reason to hate Biden?
This is such an important thing. The more you push people away from changing the more solidified they become in their beliefs.
This is a really good Ted talk that was recently released. Highly recommend watching at least the last half of the video.
https://www.ted.com/talks/peter_mcindoe_birds_aren_t_real_how_a_conspiracy_takes_flight?language=en
And when was the last time he made any anti LGBT actions?
Fun fact, for anyone who didn't know, Biden was the one who ultimately pushed Obama to come out in favor of gay marriage. He randomly stated that he supported it on some interview, which sent the White House into a scramble as they suddenly had to get Obama to make a statement. This apparently rather annoyed Obama for a while.