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Now they will start saying that beneath every hospital and refugee camp in Gaza lies a Hamas headquarter.
Looking forward to the 3D rendering "evidence".
They might do it in Minecraft this time!
Or even better, Roblox!
Yep... after all - if you see a Palestinian child without a Hamas "terrorist" hiding behind them it just proves how sneaky they are!
(s/ - for the terminally bewildered)
They've been doing that for 20 years. Possibly earlier but that's around when I started following it.
Well, I mean, to be fair, Hamas frequently does actually use hospitals and refugee camps as human shields. It doesn't make blowing up thousands of innocent people okay, but don't act like Israel is blowing up camps for no reason. They're doing it because Hamas are cowardly pieces of shit who hide behind children and sick people. Everyone is horrible in this except the innocent people dying in the crossfire.
Knowing Hamas, that sounds very accurate.
Do you know hamas?
Is this hamas with us in the room right now?
It's not disputed that this is what they do
That doesn't justify sending indiscriminate bombs for a job trained soldiers could do.
They train soldiers for genocide?
Yes, but I was alluding that, if it were there goal, then a ground force could pick terrorist targets without killing excess civilians.
That's not how colonialist warfare - oops, sorry, I meant to say "counter-terrorism" - works. You don't wage "counter-terrorism" against the people actively resisting the colonialist power - that's ineffective - instead, you wage war against the people the resistance originates from and exists within. That's the part of "people's war" that gets left unsaid - it works both ways. That is the reason why so much "counter-terrorism" looks no different than genocide - genocide is the only true effective means of dealing with stubborn and organised anti-colonial resistance.
edit: I have to add - this is the reason why talk of "civilians" is mere propaganda and little else - the nature of colonialist warfare fundamentally rejects concepts such as "civilian" and "combatant." You are either a member of the "other" or you are not - it's the reason why white supremacism is such a usefult ideology for colonizers.
Civillians exist and the majority in Gaza do not support Hamas as of their most recent election, probably even less now. You know that unless you actually adhere to the self identifying white supremacist philosophy you just spouted, so I don't see any point in your comment.
As I have already explained to you... white supremacist settler-colonialist states do not distinguish between civilians and combatants - the enemy is a racialized other who must either be enslaved, repressed and/or exterminated. That is it. End of story - white supremacism doesn't work any other way and never has.
If you live in the US, you should have no trouble understanding this - unless your history teachers fell down on the job or had a good reason to misinform you.
Most people in Vietnam did not support Ho Chi Minh - but they sure as hell knew who it was that was handing out AKs when colonizers started indiscriminately napalming their villages, didn't they?
As I have already explained to you, I don't give a fuck what white supremacist settler-colonialist states think about the existence of civilians, nobody asked, and neither should you.
Maybe you should tell your government that, then.
In Israel they do.
Wait, so targeting terrorist infrastructure is indiscriminate? I don't think that word means what you think it means.
When terrorist infrastructure is homes, roads, utilities, and hospitals where attacking kills thousands of children and innocent civilians, then yes. That is the exact definition of indiscriminate: it kills everyone without consideration.
Yep when everything you hit is terrorist infrastructure. It’s the old take a shot and say exactly where I was aiming.
indiscriminate like the rocket salvo that hamas unleashed on October 7th?
Yes exactly like that. Turns out killing innocent civilians is bad no matter who is doing it.
I heard there were IDF soldiers at the music festival. Does that make it ok now?
no
DING, DING, DING ! That is the correct answer.
Though it seems hard for people when it is reframed as...
Suddenly they are tripping over themselves to justify why they answer Yes.