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[-] VikingHippie@lemmy.wtf 43 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It absolutely IS legalised bribery. That's why the US isn't ranked as the most corrupt of all western countries in every study; doesn't count if it's legal and expected.

[-] Zippit@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago

How can this be legal? Sorry I'm a real dimwit today. Maybe Americans should focus on getting rid of lobbyists with money first. That'll get rid of a lot of problems.

[-] VikingHippie@lemmy.wtf 24 points 1 year ago

You're not being a dimwit, it's the immense corruption implicitly accepted that's utterly bizarre. I'd be baffled too if I wasn't used to it. Still am sometimes, tbh.

And yeah, getting private (and foreign government) money out of public politics is the absolute most effective thing that the US could do to start fixing the many systemic problems.

[-] SheDiceToday@eslemmy.es 9 points 1 year ago

Because lobbying does have its place. When your local charity that advocates for better mental health sends someone to speak to a senator about how a program could be improved, or where it is causing issues, that's lobbying.

The corruption comes when the senator expects a three course meal experience as the cost of having that talk with they lobbyist, or the lobbyist has connections to people who will totally not base their donations on what the senator agrees to during the meeting. Sure, we could make that sort of lobbying illegal, but who is going to investigate 400+ individuals having several meetings a day with people wanting to advocate for various agendas? The IRS is already getting the shaft, and they're the ones who freaking bring in the money! Do you think congress will ever agree to pay money to set up something to investigate themselves?

[-] Zippit@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

That's why lobbying should be okay, but excepting money and/or goods or even a cookie is corrupt. There should be an ethics code or something and every prosecutor in the country should go after every single one of them.

I used to work for the government here in Europe. It was really emphasized that accepting gifts from the public is never acceptable.

Then I worked for a nonprofit that had 1 person who had ties to the government in our board and even there, when a client brought me wine because I helped house them (my job), I had to decline and explain why.

It was harder, because they were refugees and didn't understand. I said the gesture was appreciated and I gladly helped them, but it could be seen as corruption and would jeopardize the funding of my organisation.

Afterwards I was laughingly bitching at my boss and colleagues about how I had to say no to good wine and it was blasphemy. So I got a few bottles of wine every year for my birthday from then on.

[-] VikingHippie@lemmy.wtf 1 points 1 year ago

When your local charity that advocates for better mental health sends someone to speak

That's worlds apart from profit-based corporations and rich people sending money, hosting high dollar fundraisers and bundling hundreds if not thousands of maximum "individual" donations. Not even the same UNIVERSE as unlimited dark money.

three course meal experience as the cost of having that talk with the lobbyist(..)Sure, we could make that sort of lobbying illegal

That it isn't already is extremely embarrassing to anyone who claims that corruption isn't rampant in American politics. It already IS illegal for doctors to do that and, while there's a lot of people exploiting loopholes, it's nothing compared to the number of politicians doing it like it's the most natural thing in the world.

The IRS is already getting the shaft

Mainly BECAUSE of the rich and powerful being the de facto deciders of most laws

Do you think congress will ever agree to pay money to set up something to investigate themselves?

They will if they're forced to. I'm thinking a general strike and just 1/1000 of the people dissatisfied with the corruption protesting in front of their offices every day for a few weeks or months ought to do it. Could even do it in shifts so no one person has to go more than a couple times a month and still have plenty enough to make the status quo that's needlessly killing hundreds of thousands of people people unbearable to the corrupt demagogues maintaining it too.

[-] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I’m thinking a general strike and just 1/1000 of the people

If you want a general strike to happen en masse, you need to create an organization to coordinate it. If Occupy Wall Street showed anything, it's that you need leadership to provide organization and coordination.

One of the things this organization will need to be able to do is put food on the table for someone who's striking but living paycheck to paycheck. It'll need to be able to take care of people that are fired.

It would effectively need to brand itself as a citizen's union, and ask for dues and donations so it can build a war chest for the strike itself.

Shits tough to do. For that much effort, people would rather just go into politics and try to make a difference there. And that is actually something that we need more people to do.

[-] shalafi@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago

The Constitution gives the people the right to redress grievances with their government. So, if we're free to get up in their grill and tell them what we want, where do we draw the line?

[-] VikingHippie@lemmy.wtf 5 points 1 year ago

The same place that most other democracies do: bribery.

Colossal SCOTUS mistake/intentional fraud aside, money isn't speech and corporations aren't people.

[-] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

New York recently executed one of the Trump Companies. Texas should follow suit, since they love executing people for killing people.

[-] VikingHippie@lemmy.wtf 2 points 1 year ago

You're goddamn right, they should! Especially since Texan fossil fuel companies alone kill thousands of people a year!

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