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[-] Drusas@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

Very true. Fortunately, that is what Israel is also espousing. They don't want to rule it after the war. That's good. Not much else that they're doing is good, but that is.

Hamas, however, sure does want to rule it after the war.

[-] Son_of_dad@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago

Hamas needs to be removed like a tumor, if the world doesn't want Israel to do it, then another Arab nation or world coalition needs to go in and deal with them. They can't be allowed to stay. The only way any positive can come is if both nations get new, younger leaders who want to coexist

[-] Drusas@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago

Those Arab nations are largely supportive of Hamas. More because they are anti-Israel than they are pro-Hamas.

[-] Son_of_dad@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Those Arab nations also hate and look down on Palestinians, so their fake support for Palestine is more about being anti Israel like you said.

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

Hamas needs to be removed, yes, but they're not a tumor; they're a virus. To quote Bassem Youssef, you don't cure a virus by hitting the patient with a sledgehammer.

[-] SupraMario@lemmy.world -4 points 1 year ago

Hamas was elected though, and the mass majority of Palestinians support them.

[-] tryptaminev@feddit.de 6 points 1 year ago

in 2006. Half the population of Gaza wasnt born when Hamas was elected.

Israels, Hamas and PA have blocked elections in both Gaza and the West Bank ever since.

[-] filister@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

So Palestinians have two choices, either to support a political party that mostly complies with what Israel wants and doesn't protest to loudly the oppression or another more rebellious faction. I perfectly understand why a lot of people out of desperation support Hamas, but the core issue here is the military and economic oppression that Israel is exercising over Gaza, if this ceased then automatically Hamas would lose a lot of its supporters.

Same with Bibi, if there is no Hamas, people won't vote for him.

[-] barsoap@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

You know what? Coincidentally, there was a fresh poll done regarding that ending Ocober 6th. You can't get numbers which are any fresher. Have a read.

[-] jet@hackertalks.com 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I believe the israeli political leadership said they will have no responsibility for it. They did not say they won't have control over it. I fully expect them to continue the embargo forever. But just say they're not responsible for the suffering inside due to the embargo.

This is assuming they don't find some way to completely ethnically cleanse Gaza strip in the next month or two

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

They don't want to rule it after the war.

They are military occupying it, though, and are considering doing more than that.

[-] Drusas@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago

Of course. But they have outright stated that they don't want to manage it after the war has ended.

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

For now. There's no way they won't give it the West Bank treatment. Remember that these are the same people who had to be removed at gunpoint from Gaza in 2005.

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