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submitted 1 year ago by spaduf@slrpnk.net to c/feminism@beehaw.org

cross-posted from: https://kbin.social/m/mensliberation@lemmy.ca/t/623593

Harping on people to get married from up in the ivory tower fails to engage with reality of life in the dating trenches.

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[-] scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 21 points 1 year ago

Men (and granted I am male) really do need to drop the alpha male stuff. It's a shame so many men are drawn into this weird mentality on YouTube thinking that's what is going to get them a girl... When really it's the furthest from the truth.

I met my wife at work, made some awkward jokes with her, and eventually asked her out. We split everything a perfect 50/50 and I'm proud to say she is a strong independent woman who definitely does not need me. I can't imagine the disrespect she would feel if all of a sudden I went all alpha.

[-] th3raid0r@tucson.social 3 points 1 year ago

I'm over 30 and I have both older and younger acquaintances and family that engage in this macho culture. For the younger ones, I have sympathy, I was much like that too as a young adult - or tried to be anyways. I never really fit in though and I grew up and grew out of trying to "fit in" so hard.

For the older ones however, it's quite puzzling. I don't get it. How much lived experience does one need to ignore to figure this out? Is the quest for a male approved identity really preferable to growing into a well developed, emotionally mature man that is actually required to maintain relationships?

It's stories like those in the article that make me understand the hostility that more extreme feminists react with when presented with things like the "male loneliness epidemic". (My second reaction, though is that if you think the "alphas" are the lonely ones, you might be mistaken - if that's the norm, then the "good ones" must be the REALLY lonely ones.)

I met my wife on OKCupid before it went to crap. She just kept telling me how I was so "respectful" compared to literally everyone else she met in years. I didn't understand then, and nowadays I can only explain so much of that behavior. I suppose it's a mix of the dominant media culture and internet culture being amplified by actors who either are ignorant of, profit from, or take advantage of it all.

it's definitely a vicious cycle for the alpha males. They are lonely and they think this will attract women. Of course it pushes more women away, so they dive in deeper thinking they are doing something wrong. Repeat and repeat and they end up being some of the least attractive people out there.

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