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[-] Norgur@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

Israel is a state
Judaism is a religion

If one disagrees or opposes one, they don't oppose the other. I know that Israel has managed to spin the narrative that Israel and Judaism are the same and everyone opposing the state is basically the same kind of hateful asshole Adolf was, but that's just not true. We here in Germany have struggled a long time with that for obvious reasons. You couldn't call out Israel for doing wrong shit without being called a Nazi. In that past that is. What you've seen isn't "Antisemitism". It's opposition to some of the bullshit Israel is pulling that is the very same kind of bullshit Jews have been subjected to in the past. Or tell me: What's the difference between a Ghetto in 1700s Germany and the Gaza Strip? Correct, the 1700s Ghetto had less travel restrictions.

There is a great push in Israel to be proud of the history of unjust oppression and prosecution Jews have suffered for centuries and how awful being a victim of that was. There is this sense that together, as a nation, they finally have the means to safeguard themselves against shit like that. Yet, that very same nation pulls a swift 180 when it comes to palestinians. Pushing them back into Ghettos, depriving them of any form of economical way out, depriving them of means to get their own electricity, their own water. Paying them pittances for their jobs, restricting travel for them whenever possible. Now, as soon as those people act hostile (go figure), the "state of the oppressed" Israel responds with the military. "A little bombardment will keep them in check, right? How dare they hate us?!"

If the message all the Shoa museums, all the graveyards for the people killed in atrocities was really understood, neither the "West Bank" nor the "Gaza Strip" could exist without Israelites acting up against them.

Rant over.

[-] dumdum666@kbin.social -4 points 1 year ago

So you say that you oppose Israel’s existence itself - the existence as a state, but do not hate Jews in particular, right?

[-] sheogorath@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Do you support the existence of an apartheid state? Yes or no answer only.

[-] dumdum666@kbin.social -2 points 1 year ago

Try your derailing somewhere else.

[-] snooggums@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago

Where did the poster say that?

[-] Norgur@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

We all know that I didn't. But they need that for some sort of strawman argument, methinks.

[-] rah@feddit.uk 0 points 1 year ago
[-] dumdum666@kbin.social -1 points 1 year ago

I know you would love it @rah 😘

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