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But... the countries sold the slaves to Europe.
White people didn't just show up and start taking people.
White people showed up, offered trade, and black leaders offered up there tribesmen.
It's the decendents of the black leaders who should be on the hook, not the decendents of white traders, and DEFINITELY not the decendents of white people who weren't involved in the slave trade at all...
As far as I know the fact that slave trade was already a well established business in western Sub-Saharan Africa, mostly with Muslim nations played a huge role. European colonizers were in desperate need for workforce in their new American territories. Plagues from the old world had absolutely decimated most of the indigenous population plus many Europeans also struggled severely with tropical diseases that they weren't used to.
Originally, African slaves were mostly used out of economic convenience and not for specific ideological reasons. It's quite disturbing to consider how this particular anti black racism that is still very prevalent today developed directly as a result of and as an instrument to maintain the institution of slavery. The economic circumstances of the 16th or 17th century still have enormous implications for our moral landscape in the 21st century.
So white men landed on African soil with beads and spice, didn't die, and went home with black slaves.
Then, alerted to a 'new' resource, white man alerted a new Chief to what the other Chief did, then went home with more black people, more beads, and more spice than the first ship went home with.
I'm understanding "white devil" more, but I'm still wondering how the bloodlines that sent their brothers and sisters into slavery abroad deserve reparations.
It smells to me of a man born in Sudan immigrating to America, eventually hearing about how da white man owe dem reparations (which that man was correct about. That man). The Sudanese immigrant going back home for Christmas dinner (please insert the appropriate gathering of the genes annual event), and informing auntie and papa how whites owe blacks money.
Then that just spread... because "dey eat da poo poo".
So fucking racist but I don't know how to word this idea better.
Slavery was horrible. Families disadvantaged by the bullshit start of being enslaved, then dumped on the front lawn and told "Go" do deserve some recompense, in my humble opinion. But a bunch of countries who sold their brothers and sister cheap coming back and saying "we want to negotiate"...
... fuck. Imma do it again. Native Americans.
And Native Americans actually did deserve what they asked for. Literally. They should have gotten to renegotiate land.
I'm not keen to renegotiate slaves sold.
Why not?
Just to reiterate the context. Freed black slaves did not flock back to their home countries. They mostly stayed where they were freed.
Talking about reparations for actual descendents of slaves is one thing.
Talking about reparations for the descendents of the ones that sold their brothers and sisters into slavery is bonkers. Straight assinine.
Slavery was horrible. Slave owners were horrible. Black leaders started the whole thing (in the context of the black slave trade).
These fuckers aren't looking for reparations. They are looking for a renegotiation because they don't think they charged enough.
The ones who made money enslaving people and selling them into the slave trade OWE reparations. They are not owed reparations.
Decendents of slaves deserve reparations, not decendents of people who enslaved people.
These countries should be paying INTO funds to provide reparations to decendents of slaves.
What part are you struggling with here?
As a white European: please stop posting such garbage.
Stop posting what?... historically accurate context?
No. You're right. Who cares what happened, all black people are pathetic victims of the powerful and evil white man. White people owe black people money universally by default.
Ya... that makes sense. /s