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Lol! They say this as if we aren't familiar with it and didn't see thousands of Trump fans doing that just a few years ago...
I think they are starting to write this way, because there's huge numbers of Americans who do not even know what the Holocaust is and that it happened let alone the basic facts about it. It's shocking when you read the recent polls which demonstrate the levels of ignorance we are dealing with around this.
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I'm surprised that people don't know about the ignorance of the Holocaust. Here is some reading for our collective edification.
It might seem unbelievable to see how ignorant people are of the Holocaust, but what you and I find common sense and basic facts of history which we all know are unfortunately not generally known to be basic facts of history and we do not all know these facts. Less and less of us know these facts.
It's alarming and it's good that publishers are writing to state basic facts for an ignorant readership. Because of this we shouldn't see this style of informative writing as a fault but rather as a boon to ignorant readership.
I'm afraid that's not it... it's liberal media doing their normal "enlightened centrist" thing and pretending that the US isn't a fundamentally white supremacist state. They want to pretend that neonazis are some kind of "aberration" in the (supposedly) "democratic" US - when in reality the people filling up the top echelons of the political and economic institutions have always held beliefs that are perfectly compatible with fascism.
Yes. One only has to point to the business plot. It happened almost 100 years ago now. No one involved ever faced any consequences. They've been regrouping and slowly gaining power ever since then. And have made enough progress that one of, if not the only candidate for their fascist dictator had both his son and grandson achieve the presidency.
Of course during world war II, many wealthy Americans were on the side of Hitler, and their businesses had lots of dealings with him. That's not even mentioning the fact that we turned away. Many many shiploads of Jewish refugees. Because of the open widespread anti-Semitism in the United States at the time. It wasn't just anti-Semitism of course. It and all the other forms of bigotry and racism were some of the very core of early America. Slavery, genocide of native peoples, etc. Etc etc. things that we do not teach about properly in American history and never have. Because a lot of it isn't just history is still current events.
Yep.
I'm glad that !news hasn't been swamped by right-wing propagandists yet - I wonder how long that will last.
Profits seeking outlets, like reddit naturally lend themselves to that sort of brigading. It's not impossible for something like that to happen on the feddiverse. But it is fortunately drastically less effective. If the moderation of !news We're heavily infiltrated or compromised. The community could realistically just pick up and move wholesale to another instance. Or even just another community on the same instance if it was only about community moderation and not instance moderation. Wealthy fascist could just throw their money into the void endlessly. But they wouldn't get even a fraction of the return. They get on friendly sites like Twitter, Reddit, Facebook etc.
I'm not so sure about that... I had to block !worldnews on here because the comments section is just one big hasbara dogpile - and the mods seem totally fine with it.
There will be echo chambers still. And there will always be brigading attempts. But if people don't like it they can start an identically named community on a different domain. Something not remotely possible on Reddit Facebook etc. where Nazis can openly threaten others without consequence. But if a leftist doesn't word their disagreement with Nazis just right they get a permanent ban.
I think what you're seeing is highly temporary. And likely will be contained to the current run of Likud sponsored Palestinian genocide. There are a lot of ignorant people being riled up on emotion alone right now. And thankfully most are getting downvoted. There are no good guy in the current scenario. Just dishonest, murderous actors like Hamas. And genocidal right wing government in Israel. My sympathies will always be with the people. Both Palestinian and Israeli. But the Israeli really need to step up to address what their government is doing.