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THE POLICE PROBLEM
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The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.
99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it's not on this page.
When cops are caught breaking the law, they're investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers' names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.
When police are fired — which is all too rare — they leave with 'law enforcement experience' and can easily find work in another police department nearby. It's called "Wandering Cops."
When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: "testilying." Yet it's almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.
Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.
The legal doctrine of "qualified immunity" renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past 'qualified immunity' is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.
All this is a path to a police state.
In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.
Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.
That's the solution.
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Our definition of ‘cops’ is broad, and includes prison guards, probation officers, shitty DAs and judges, etc — anyone who has the authority to fuck over people’s lives, with minimal or no oversight.
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• A demonstrator's guide to understanding riot munitions
• Cops aren't supposed to be smart
• Killings by law enforcement in Canada
• Killings by law enforcement in the United Kingdom
• Killings by law enforcement in the United States
• Know your rights: Filming the police
• Three words. 70 cases. The tragic history of 'I can’t breathe' (as of 2020)
• Police aren't primarily about helping you or solving crimes.
• Police lie under oath, a lot
• Police spin: An object lesson in Copspeak
• Police unions and arbitrators keep abusive cops on the street
• Shielded from Justice: Police Brutality and Accountability in the United States
• When the police knock on your door
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Probably, but if you think fighting the cops is a good idea then you have a tough life ahead of you.
What’s your plan? Out running them? They live for the moment to chase you down with helicopters so they can pull out all their fun toys.
All you’re doing is giving them ammunition to fuck your life up even harder.
Not probably bro
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jul/29/colorado-police-officer-car-freight-train
Question you should be asking is why the cops are killing people that aren't threatening someone else's life. "Resisting" or not.
Criticising the victim makes you an asshole.
Totally.
Except the victim did something wrong. Instead of glossing it over and ignoring it, maybe you should learn something from it.
Fighting with the cops for seven minutes is literally the exact opposite of “not life threatening”.
People are going to do the wrong thing. They will be tired, or impaired, or disabled in some way. They might not speak the same language as the cop, or be panicking for some unrelated reason.
Are you going to train everybody how to do the "right" thing? No, that's impossible. Train the cops. They didn't need to detain this guy when he didn't comply with the pain compliance. They could have backed off, followed him, and figured out a better solution.
You might say, they have better things to do. I say, because they didn't a man is dead, fuck you.
Back off and follow him?
Did you even read the article? You sound clueless. Read the article ffs.
I did, there was zero impetus for the police to use lethal force. He was refusing to answer their questions. The people from the domestic violence incident had left, and if he matched the description of those people it would have been mentioned.
They didn't have a basis for detaining him, and they didn't have a crime they were investigating. If they thought they had either of these things it's because they didn't do their job.
This is another instance of police officers deciding to restrict the lawful activities of citizens.
The problem with people like you is you don't know how delicious those boots taste, or you'd be licking them too
Are you speaking from experience
When the alternative is becomig the next tyre nichols, i'd say resosting is only worthwhile if you can actually finish some of the bastards.