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Many of Trump’s proposals for his second term are surprisingly extreme, draconian, and weird, even for him. Here’s a running list of his most unhinged plans.

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[-] voracitude@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I'm not handwaving a damn thing. "Why include those at all?" is barely even a curiosity, and absolutely not a reason to rule that the catch-all means nothing just because there's a partial list before it, nor to defend such a ruling as reasonable. The language is clear as crystal, and there are no two ways about that, because it says what it says. You even called it a catch-all, so you know damn well what those words mean, and implicitly agreed that it is clear from the language alone all those who Section 3 applies to.

The fact that in none of these you include “but senator is” just leads me to believe you aren’t debating in good faith.

You only think that because you lost sight of the forest for the trees. If you understand my position, then you understand why that list being incomplete is irrelevant to the question at hand.

Edit: Also, I'd expect a judge "who is an expert in law" would know about that bloody paper I linked wherein the framers explicitly stated why they listed only some positions and not every position in Federal government. Speaking of which, a point I raised before was that they couldn't have listed every position that would ever exist. By your logic, it's "ambiguous" as to whether we can have a traitor serve as a four-star General in the Space Force, just because nobody ever explicitly named that position in the text of Section 3. If arguing that the framers were deficient in their writing because they couldn't see the future to explicitly name every government position that will ever exist doesn't highlight how pants-on-head your point has been this whole time, I don't know what will.

[-] EatATaco@lemm.ee 0 points 11 months ago

I’m not handwaving a damn thing

Lol you called it "examples" despite it not at all reading like examples, and you're just ignoring it again now.

[-] voracitude@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

What else would you call an incomplete list of things, that represents some entries from a complete list of things? And you say I'm the one arguing in bad faith.

If you had a point, it would have been made by now. If you're genuine, I hope you consider the dialectical spanking you've been given today and use it as inspiration to be better. I believe in you, champ.

[-] EatATaco@lemm.ee 1 points 11 months ago

What else would you call an incomplete list of things, that represents some entries from a complete list of things?

This is what I'm trying to figure out. You're basically saying there was no point in them listing those out specifically, it was just a weird set of examples that doesn't even read as a list of examples, in a document that doesn't otherwise list examples. Maybe you're right, but you're making a terrible case for it. Really you're just handwaving it away because considering it would make maintaining your position more difficult.

And considering you keep misrepresenting my position, despite me explicitly laying it out for you, yes you are the one arguing in bad faith. You and I both know it, and we're likely the only two down this far, so I'm not sure why you're even bothering to deny it.

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