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'American Liberal' is more extreme than any of the above
Just to clarify, you believe "American Liberal" is more extreme than Nazis?
Where do you think Hitler got the infulence to use the gas chambers?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1917_Bath_riots
America has sucsesfully carried out multiple genocides, as recently as a decade ago.
The Nazis failed, America didnt.
The article you linked is about brutal mistreatment and forced "disinfection" of people crossing a border. As horible as that is, do you truly believe that is the same scale of evil as systematic genocide?
I'm not American and that article doesn't mention liberalism, so I'd appreciate it if you highlight the connection there too.
I highlighted the part relevant in the reply above, to further explain America invented the gas chamber as a way to 'medicalize' executions and attempt to make them more 'humane'. Hitler was inspired by this 'scientific' approach to executions that he replicated the design while carrying out his holocaust by using higher concentrations of Zyklon B, which in low doses acts as a disinfectant, and in high doses kills.
In regards to actual genocides though, Id point to the Korean War (they wanted to drop a nuke on Korea, even in South Korea american troops slaughtered 300,000+ civillians and then installed a military dictatorship) gulf war (2 million civallians dead) and Vietnam (Free fire zones, agent orange) as examples of genocides carried out last century/recently, and then obviously the founding genocide of the Native American population.
Also I would say that given America has the highest prison population, in the history of mankind; of which are mostly political prisoners arrested on drug charges, or as a consequence of the drug war (a political war), the ongoing genocide of black americans is yet to be resolved.
I think you may have quoted the wrong thing. The section you highlighted above states that clothing was fumigated with the same gas later used by Nazis to exterminate prisoners, it makes no mention of it being a way to "medicalize" or make exeuctions "humane".
Again, I'm not American so I'd appreciate it if you highlighted how this is related to "American Liberaism" which you initially criticised. As it is it appears you're assuming whatever actions the someone in power in America takes is "American Liberalism", I'm not sure that's something I agree with.
That came after these experiments on the Mexican border, id encourage you review the history of execution methods in the US, heres a good video on it but feel free to research it, you will find im right.
https://youtu.be/eirR4FHY2YY
Liberalism is the dominating ideology in America, its the one that instituted aperthied and slavery against black people, deported all the communists and climbed to the top of the shit pile that is US politics; you only vote for one of two neo-liberal parties in America, so calling it 'American Liberalism' in reference to americans actions is accurate.
Liberals don't even know what liberalism is.
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The poles of American ideology are theocracy/Christofascism and liberalism. Virtually all of what the state does that isn't theocratic is liberal.
This is the most perfect example of lemmygrad trying to find smart but making absolutely stupid conclusions. The Korean War was a genocide.... and a "successful" one. okay.... I got some good news for you
I encourage you to consider why war crimes and genocide are considered different things
Yeah, its a 'war crime' when America does it, 'genocide' when its someone else; I read you loud and clear.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bodo_League_massacre
Feel free to explain how the free fire zones/agent orange attacks didnt qualify as an attempt at genocide either.
Neither group has human souls, and in 2023 only one controls private academia with a monopoly on the meaning of words. There, simplified it.
Do we want to count the number of genocides Americans have supported since just 1900, compared to the Nazis only pulling one? 'Cause I've got the Americans responsible for the genocide of every indigenous tribe that originally held their land, the ongoing genocide of the Black community, genocide of the Mexicans that attempt to cross into the country while Biden's atomization and sexual assault camps are still open on the border, genocide of the Donetsk and Luhansk Oblasts, and genocide of the Palestinians-- so I'm definitely going to hedge my chips on the Americans being worse.
As it is, Hitler lifted his concepts of Lebensraum and Aryan purity from Manifest Destiny and Jim Crow Codes in the first place, so... Yeah, motherfuck America and motherfuck her vassals. Typical crackers taking offense at their crimes being listed off to them, though; why am I surprised? There's no singular people in the world with less a sense of culpability or shame than Americans, other than maybe the Brits or the French-- both of whom have been vassalized by America in the first place.
The Nazis did multiple genocides by almost any definition, though obviously they could never aspire to the body count of America or Britain.
I figured since the manifold genocides all happened around the same time as part of the same policy, it'd all be lumped into one; that's my b-- but you are still correct in that the body count is absolutely dwarfed by what the American Empire's gotten up to.