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A lack of infrastructure is not a failure of the train, it is a failure of us to properly utilise the train.
I mean obviously you would never build a train line to every campsite. That's what busses are for.
Hauling camping gear on and off multiple forms of public transport sounds like a shit holiday, to be honest.
I've done it, was great would recommend.
Obviously I do think that there's a place for cars in the world. But most transport happens along routes that could easily be trains with good infrastructure. Camping isn't a good use of trains really tho lol
Public transport is great for commuting, or travelling between urban centres. The point of camping is usually to get away from urban centres.
The perks of sitting their without a care in the world while someone else drives the train is divine though.
People have different definitions of "camping", so this thread is going to be a hot mess.
For example: I've done backpacking ("camping"), starting the trek from a train platform, and ending up somewhere in the wilderness. It absolutely works, but is going to be impossible or not at all to taste for a lot of people. That and infrastructure limits where you can go.
Meanwhile, some people define "camping" as something more like "tailgating", which is where they pull up their vehicle right to the camping spot and may even sleep in the car. This fits with your take on things and I completely agree: this mode of camping would be a nightmare with trains, uber/lyft, and moving heavy a mile or more on foot.
The first example is a hiking trip.
This kind of extremism is really stupid and self-defeating
Shut up please you never you're always spouting contrarian half statements that are just trying to bait people into arguments. What is the extremism in the comment you are referring to?
This is an extremist comment that posits no future for personal vehicles.
It's neither contrarian nor bait to call out such statements as doing more harm than good.
No. You assume that calls for more trains and public transport is a call to eliminate personal vehicles. Those two things are not the same you made an illogical jump from we need better transit options to ban all cars. Here's an idea what if better infrastructure took more cars off the road leading to less traffic for those who choose to keep a personal vehicle? Reading through your comments hurts my brain man half the time you seem like a level headed guy then you go off into left field call people communists and extremists just like that.
Yes I would literally always choose to have a personal vehicle.
I don't really care about your opinion. I don't think your opinions are valuable. Your opinion of me seems entirely based on whether or not you think I agree with you, and most of the time your assumption there is probably wrong
For instance, I am heavily in favor of increases in public/mass transportation.
The people I'm responding to self-identify as those things. They aren't insults. They're acknowledgements of reality
Same to you dude, it is not an opinion that no where in this thread has anyone called for the complete removal of personal vehicles you put words in peoples mouths to create arguments. You have too much time on your hands. Find a productive hobby dude.