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Here are the 70 House Republicans who voted to cut off all US military aid to Ukraine
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You're the only person who has left me a real message challenging anything. I'm more than willing to talk all day.
Russia is a brutal authoritarian state who is willing to do almost anything. But the fact is the life of an Eastern Ukrainian citizen will not appreciably change if they are ruled by Russia or Ukraine.
If there is no difference, then what are we doing this for? Killing hundreds of thousands, displacing millions, starving Africa, twisting the knife on the lower classes of the entire world.. etc
All of this so Lockheed Martin's stock goes up. I think it's amazing they've effectively convinced a lot of people that war = good. That we should want more war.
Do you know about the atrocities at Mariupol?
Do you mean besides destroying the city?
Yes.
Ok what about it? I'm not sure what this changes. They destroyed various cities. Bombed many civilians. All sorts of stuff. I still don't think the life of a Ukrainian would be appreciably different under one government or the other.
This is what I mean - silence. Nobody has anything to say. You believe a certain thing very strongly and yet cannot articulate any meaningful response.
The best you could come up with is "mariupol"
You would kill every Ukrainian male and doom their demographics for a century if it meant putting Russia behind a quarter century.
Don't confuse a reticence for wasting my time with an inability to make a strong argument. I've just argued so much with skeptics who were in bad faith that I don't care to reproduce the same argument for the hundredth time.
You keep saying that. If you don't want to waste your time, why do you make comments in the first place? It's not even that hard - a bullet point list shouldn't take more than 60 seconds to put together.
Seriously, anything is better than just saying "you're wrong and I know you're wrong but I can't actually tell you why"
I'm an open minded guy and I'm more than happy to change my mind if I'm wrong. I don't drink kool-aid though so you'll actually have to say something of substance.
Your only thing was "mariupol" trying to imply Russia is a genocidal country. And you're absolutely right- they are. That doesn't change my opinion that we are adding fuel to the fire in Ukraine, killing more Ukrainians, fucking up the whole world's economy.. and we're doing it for Lockheed Martin (and of course to hurt Russia, but mainly $$$)