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[-] MasterBlaster@lemmy.world -3 points 11 months ago

And yet, he's the one who got those products to the public, and many love them. I'm not fond of Apple, but I have to acknowledge success. I'm not claiming he's a good person. Heck I agree with much you said, but being a business leader is a legitimate role and requires real skills.

[-] AllonzeeLV@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

And yet, he's the one who got those products to the public

Factory workers, retail workers, delivery people got those products to the public. Steve jobs didn't.

[-] MasterBlaster@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago

Yep, and they were just about to do it when that scumbag stole their thunder, right? They had the entire design all set and came together as a collective to make it happen, and Jobs stepped in and stole all the money and credit!

[-] AllonzeeLV@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Yes, he and the little owner's club did indeed steal the workers thunder, as our intentionally rigged economy is designed to maintain in perpetuity. The iphone was just the latest cycle of keeping the workers separated from the means of production, aka meaningful capital required for R&D and manufacturing.

Steve Jobs' "skill" was being receptive to repeating the vicious cycle of giving almost all the profits of products his engineers developed to the people who already exploited/coerced/stole the worker's money last time and the time before that in exchange for his class traitor cut (I guess he saw his daughter as an externality he didn't need to worry about) for selling out the other people like him that didn't come from wealth, which just propagates the little owner's club having more while ensuring the non-owners continue to not benefit from what they invent, discover, build, transport. They have the ideas and do the work, and then the small population with enough ill gotten capital to commission the machines get the vast majority of the capital profit... yet again, ad infinitum.

I'm sorry that impresses you, but of course the major media the oligarchs own and the K-Colleges of Economics curriculum they dictate indoctrinates most Americans to find their grift very impressive. He pulled himself up by his bootstraps!

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/10/18/the-wealthiest-10percent-of-americans-own-a-record-89percent-of-all-us-stocks.html

[-] MasterBlaster@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago

I don't have to click the link because I know about that already. I'm not justifying the greed, just acknowledging the reality. There are people with these skills who are not self-serving. We likely agree on many things, but I work with reason, not ideology. I also try to avoid insulting people for telling me things I don't like unless they are insulting, of course.

Here's something you won't like - Marxism does not work, for the same reason the 1% collect all the wealth. Greed is a human condition.

[-] MasterBlaster@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago

Who hired them? Who gave them direction?

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