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[-] demonsword@lemmy.world 14 points 11 months ago

not gonna lie, the author does make a few interesting points

[-] samus12345@lemmy.world 20 points 11 months ago

Gimli is a vehicle for cheap gags

This is a fair point in particular.

[-] pomodoro_longbreak@sh.itjust.works 6 points 11 months ago

Yeah I think the story benefits from some humorous beats, but maybe not like that, in retrospect.

[-] samus12345@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Yeah, in retrospect, the movies kinda did Gimli dirty.

[-] pomodoro_longbreak@sh.itjust.works 10 points 11 months ago

What I’m driving at is that by making everyone flat, no one can grow. When Boromir falls for the Ring, everyone in the audience saw it coming from a mile away. When Denethor goes suicidal, there’s no surprise because he’s a raving madman from the moment we meet him.

Damn

[-] PoopingCough@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

But if it were like he's suggesting, people would complain that those characters final(ish) actions were out of character and it would make no sense for them to do those things. Just because you can see something coming doesn't mean it isn't enjoyable to watch. If you saw two trains heading towards each other on one track you wouldn't look away simply because the you see the outcome coming. There's a difference between foreshadowing and being predictable and imo it's not good criticism.

[-] frezik@midwest.social 2 points 11 months ago

Right, and I think Denathor is a good example. Spends his screen time being an asshat. Very satisfying when he gets what's coming.

[-] pomodoro_longbreak@sh.itjust.works 1 points 11 months ago

Right I guess that's partly down to the medium of movies. Probably not enough screentime to devote to a more subtle character evolution.

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