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[-] BaroqueInMind@kbin.social 92 points 11 months ago

Now thar Hyundai has patented it, it will never become popular enough to impact the market and be standardized in more vehicles or change anything, similar to the Wankel engine.

[-] psycho_driver@lemmy.world 37 points 11 months ago

similar to the Wankel engine

Was the Wankel engine really a step forward though? I'm a gearhead who does all his own car maintenance, up to and including engine swaps in the past and retro-modding bigger turbos and aftermarket fuel injection systems into my cars (Datsuns in the latter case). That being said, I only know the very basics about rotary engines. I've always admired the Mazda RX's from afar.

Mazda, who by no means makes a bad gasoline engine, could never get a rotary motor to last well or to have anywhere near decent fuel economy. Also, the rotary design was tried for a while in at least refrigeration compressor applications, where it blew up there a lot more than the other types of compressors as well.

[-] gens@programming.dev 20 points 11 months ago

Yea. They have worse efficiency. To get better efficiency from them you would need to run them hotter (afaik), and if you do that they would last even shorter.

It's great if you want a smaller but still strong engine, but it's not efficient and those seals are a big problem.

[-] Death_Equity@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago

The problem with the rotaries is a result of the technology of the time and funding.

They are inefficient because they lose compressed fuel and air as the seals pass over the holes for the spark plugs, which can be largely solved with laser ignition. They are less reliable because of the design of the apex seals, which can be solved by using a roller instead of a blade. Both of those major issues with the rotary could not be solved with the technology of the 60s-00s and the tiny budget available. There are other issues that hold back the design, but those come down to metallurgy and manufacturing processes. Mazda did a great job trying to make the rotary work and it almost killed them.

The other issue that gives then an unreliable reputation is because you can't treat them like a piston engine and people treat them like a piston engine. Hard to fault the knife for breaking when it was used as a pry bar.

[-] sunbeam60@lemmy.one 12 points 11 months ago

The argument is, though I’m not qualified to assess it, that Wankel engines are simpler, smaller, more power dense and, if allowed time to develop, would be an improvement on the traditional ICE. It’s very difficult to assess where we would have ended up and a little by the by, given we need to move away from burning fossil fuel.

That said, do check out LiquidPiston’s evolution of the Wankel engine. It does sort of look like they’ve solved a number of issues a traditional Wankel engine has.

[-] ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago

if allowed time to develop

The basic problem with Wankels is that the geometry of the combustion chamber (such as it is) is constantly changing, which inevitably results in incomplete combustion compared to traditional ICEs. This leads to lowered fuel efficiency and greater emissions; the emissions problem is solved with an additional combustion chamber for the exhaust gases, but this consumes more fuel and lowers efficiency even more. It's just a fundamental problem with the technology that no amount of development could ever fix.

[-] Haywire@lemm.ee 2 points 11 months ago

It still has corners that need to have a moving seal. This is a huge issue.

[-] Cethin@lemmy.zip 13 points 11 months ago

But capitalism creates innovation!!!

[-] aidan@lemmy.world 14 points 11 months ago

Some people argue that intellectual property law is not free market capitalism, and is instead a regulation that benefits big business. I'm one of those people

[-] Cethin@lemmy.zip 8 points 11 months ago

While I'd agree in essence, in practice I don't. They're an offshoot of capitalism. The goal of capitalism is profit, and if you can create barriers to competition, that protects your profit. IP law is something created out of capitalism as a barrier. If it isn't the government doing it, it'd be goons hired by those in power. They exist because of capitalism, not from something external to it. If the system were focused on doing good or creating utility, IP law wouldn't be required.

[-] barsoap@lemm.ee 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Free market and capitalism are mutually exclusive as in the theoretical model that is the free market, with perfectly rational actors and information, a capitalist class cannot exist, they'd quickly get competed down to size.

Unregulated markets and capitalism, now that's a lovechild, as without regulation real-world markets quickly turn into monopolistic shark-tanks instead of free markets, actors not being rational, information not being perfect and all. The role of regulation, indeed the state, is to correct for that factor and make the real-world market approximate the free market.

(This view of the world brought to you by ordoliberalism, the only sane liberal economic theory there ever was or probably will be -- because they actually managed to side with the free market, and not capitalism, as the rest of them).

[-] tourist@lemmy.world 12 points 11 months ago

"Probably failed cuz they called it the wanker engine lmao. Now set aside another few milli for the copyright lawyers"

[-] jimbo@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago

Indeed, nothing that is patented ever makes it to market...

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