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[-] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 66 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Anarchy (as a political philosophy) is about an absence of coercion.

Capitalism is about the supremacy of property rights over all other rights, backed up by the threat of violence against anyone who doesn't play along.

How anyone can think those two concepts are compatible is beyond me.

[-] Rodeo@lemmy.ca 26 points 11 months ago

backed up by the threat of violence against anyone who doesn't play along.

Every political ideology includes that. What good are rules without enforcement? Just because the enforcers are supposed to be random individuals in some ideologies doesn't mean the threat of violence for not playing along is gone.

[-] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 10 points 11 months ago

Anarchism claims to be different. But yeah, that's a big part of why I see anarchism as a thought experiment and not a serious ideology.

[-] meteorswarm@beehaw.org 18 points 11 months ago

I'm an anarchist, and my take is that anarchism isn't pacifism, and "no coercion" is a bad summary. It's more about the absence of hierarchical coercion and instead distribution of power to all people and communities.

If you're going around burning down houses, your anarchist neighbors are going to use force to take away your matches and gasoline if you don't stop.

[-] MacNCheezus@lemmy.today 3 points 11 months ago

Yup, that is my understanding as well. Likewise, if you're going around stealing, and someone happens to think that's bad, they can use force to stop you because there's no state telling them otherwise.

The idea that if there's no state we'd automatically be living in communist utopia where everything is shared and nobody owns anything is flawed on its face. It's certainly possible that there would be groups or tribes of people that choose to live that way, but other tribes would form around the idea that property rights should be protected and build a community around that.

[-] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 8 points 11 months ago

You're very much misrepresenting how anarchism is supposed to work with that "automatically" statement. No one thinks if will happen by itself, there's a whole library on thought on how to go about making it the societal norm, with quite a lot of good points that humanity already largely acted like this for most of its two to three hundred thousand years of existence.

Supposedly, anyways. I suppose paleolithic man might well have been selling mammoth futures and executing debtors in the street.

But I also don't really buy it in a urban society unless that society is largely run by the Culture's Minds.

[-] MacNCheezus@lemmy.today -1 points 11 months ago

I only put that there because the thread starter seems to be an anarcho-communist who thinks that in absence of a state enforcing property rights, property rights simply won't be enforced. That is not the case. They may or may not be enforced, either by the property owner themselves or their tribe/community.

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