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[-] treefrog@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I think you're underestimating who this law will target.

Addicts it says. Yes, people with other chronic mental health conditions too. But it sounds to me like California's plan to deal with the opioid crisis is to start locking addicts in rehab facilities until they figure out how to be treatment wise if they're not already (this is a term meaning, play the treatment game with therapists without doing the work).

Treatment really requires people to be willing. And unless they're an immediate danger to themself or others, I don't agree with forcing people into treatment. On both moral grounds and practical ones.

If this is an alternative to prison or jail, for crimes aside from drug charges, then great! But from what I could gather from the article, this isn't really what's going on.

[-] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 0 points 1 year ago

It looks like they are also trying to implement funding for medical treatment as well, which is why the plan can be delayed up to two years.

But there are grey areas to being an immediate danger to themselves or others. If someone is walking into traffic because they are too high to be aware of their surroundings or a schizophrenic homeless man is randomly yelling at people in a park he lives in, there is a danger.

[-] DarkGamer@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago

I would agree such people are a danger to themselves or others, but this law goes beyond that. Here's the text of it if you're interested. One need only be using drugs or alcohol or have a mental illness while being homeless.

  • (A) Danger to self.
  • (B) Danger to others.
  • (C) Grave disability due to a mental health disorder.
  • (D) Grave disability due to a severe substance use disorder.
  • (E) Grave disability due to both a mental health disorder and a severe substance use disorder.

What is a grave disability?

Being “gravely disabled” means that someone is no longer able to provide for their own food, clothing, or shelter because of a mental health disorder. WIC § 5008(h). A person may be considered gravely disabled if, for instance, they are no longer eating enough to survive, or they have become unable to maintain housing.

So being homeless is being gravely disabled and can be used as a reason to forcibly commit the homeless if they use drugs or have a mental condition, regardless of whether they are a danger to themselves and others.

[-] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 0 points 1 year ago

But it is along with mental health issues or substance abuse problems. It isn't like only being homeless gets you into custody.

And custody includes putting a roof over a person's head.

I don't see how leaving these people in their current condition is the humane option.

[-] treefrog@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago

Actually it defines being unable to provide your own shelter as the litmus test for being gravely disabled.

This law is designed to force homeless people into treatment so CA can look good by getting homeless people off the streets. There's softer and cheaper ways to do this, outlined in my many posts above. But it basically comes down to using housing as an incentive for treatment. Real housing staffed with social workers. Not locked down treatment facilities which don't work well because patients get wise to treatment when it's forced down their throats.

[-] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 0 points 1 year ago

But it isn't just being gravely disabled that puts you into custody.

And people keep asking for a kinder method, but what do you do when a person refuses the kinder method? From the looks of it, it sounds like California is trying to build the real housing staffed with social workers to go along with compulsory treatment.

[-] treefrog@lemm.ee -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It's being gravely disabled while having a substance use disorder or mental illness. So being depressed because my wife died and I lost my house because of the medical and funeral bills around my wife's death is enough. Being caught with a bottle while homeless is enough.

I'm not against forcing people with chronic mental illness, especially untreated psychotic disorders, into treatment.

But this law casts a wide net and it will be abused. Because it's not designed to help people, but to clean up CA's image as having too many homeless drug addicts on the streets.

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