607
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
this post was submitted on 04 Dec 2023
607 points (97.6% liked)
News
23406 readers
3428 users here now
Welcome to the News community!
Rules:
1. Be civil
Attack the argument, not the person. No racism/sexism/bigotry. Good faith argumentation only. This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban. Do not respond to rule-breaking content; report it and move on.
2. All posts should contain a source (url) that is as reliable and unbiased as possible and must only contain one link.
Obvious right or left wing sources will be removed at the mods discretion. We have an actively updated blocklist, which you can see here: https://lemmy.world/post/2246130 if you feel like any website is missing, contact the mods. Supporting links can be added in comments or posted seperately but not to the post body.
3. No bots, spam or self-promotion.
Only approved bots, which follow the guidelines for bots set by the instance, are allowed.
4. Post titles should be the same as the article used as source.
Posts which titles don’t match the source won’t be removed, but the autoMod will notify you, and if your title misrepresents the original article, the post will be deleted. If the site changed their headline, the bot might still contact you, just ignore it, we won’t delete your post.
5. Only recent news is allowed.
Posts must be news from the most recent 30 days.
6. All posts must be news articles.
No opinion pieces, Listicles, editorials or celebrity gossip is allowed. All posts will be judged on a case-by-case basis.
7. No duplicate posts.
If a source you used was already posted by someone else, the autoMod will leave a message. Please remove your post if the autoMod is correct. If the post that matches your post is very old, we refer you to rule 5.
8. Misinformation is prohibited.
Misinformation / propaganda is strictly prohibited. Any comment or post containing or linking to misinformation will be removed. If you feel that your post has been removed in error, credible sources must be provided.
9. No link shorteners.
The auto mod will contact you if a link shortener is detected, please delete your post if they are right.
10. Don't copy entire article in your post body
For copyright reasons, you are not allowed to copy an entire article into your post body. This is an instance wide rule, that is strictly enforced in this community.
founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
Maybe. Although I kind of think that the media's obsession with ranting about every silly thing Trump did was the best advertisement for him out of all. When his name is all you see in the paper, it's going to energize the people who are easily swayed by that kind of thing.
I can't stand the guy myself but I also see articles like this and can't stand the circle jerking and it alienates someone like me. And I'm fairly left politically. But the behaviour that I think this article is generating makes me consider that its also as cult like as trumps horde.
I don't think its a good trait to start avoiding things that don't agree with us politically. To say "I'm not watching his show anymore" seems like a bad idea because it's likely applied in other parts of life.
Big picture here for me is at the end of the day, opinions spread like memes. If the left is sheltering away from things they don't agree with then their fucking dumb assholes. Imagine a Jon Stewart show where he or his writers never once took the time to watch and evaluate things they disagreed with politically. Where would the content come from? So left is doomed if they start sheltering more and more because they won't spread any ideas worth listening to.
I find myself just unable to agree with what you say.
I mean, let's take the idea that we should be able to shut off someone's political opinions and view them purely in a vacuum to the extreme. Imagine a cooking show hosted by Hitler. Could you watch "Cooking With Hitler" and truly divorce yourself from everything he did and said and believed and just enjoy his cupcakes? I know that I could not, and I don't expect there are many people on the planet that honestly could.
So if we tone down the extremity of that example a bit, we can apply the same thing to what we're looking at here. Kelsey Grammer's political opinions are terrible. I don't know how you can come to any conclusion other than that unless you are a die-hard MAGA. His politics are just abhorrent. I can only separate a person's politics from their self and their work so much.
Back when he was in Frasier, I knew he was a pretty hardcore right wing conservative, but at the time that meant a different thing than it does today. It wasn't so extreme that I couldn't enjoy Frasier. But now, seeing what the GOP has become, and what they stand for, and what they've done over the past 15+ years, it's too much for me. Anyone who chooses to stand in the same camp as Trump, the 1/6 insurrectionists, the Christian fascists... they're too far gone for me to connect on any level. I have no idea if the Frasier reboot is any good (or the Roseanne one for that matter), because I am too aware of who these people are. They have shown not only a total lack of compassion and empathy, but also it's extreme inverse. It's Cooking With Hitler for me now.
It's not at all about sheltering. I am not sheltered from these concepts. Quite far from that, in fact. It's keen awareness of them that makes me so repulsed.
I think its good to let that argument sit and allow people to see that. This is an absurd take that Kelsey grammar saying he supports trump is in some way akin to watching a cooking show about Hitler. I know you didn't say that directly. But the logic is there to associate it. I assume you are trying to use an extreme to show that there is a situation where it would be crazy to say "who cares their politics" but in this case presenting that case shows how absurd a lot of you are in your thinking on this issue. You have been driven to the fringes just as the right were years ago and still are. You're all being bent like a reed.
The absurdity of that statement was the point of it. That seems to have gone way over your head. Oh well...
Trump and maga republicans are on an entirely different spectrum than differing opinions. They are actively destructive anti democratic lunatics. I’m all for negotiating and broadly navigating politics and policies in effort to give and take across a diverse populace. I would soon alienate anyone and everyone that supports trump and his maga lunatics full of hate than give a single fuck about anything they have to say. Theirs plenty wrong with the democrats and I hope the Republican Party is able to pull its head out of its ass but until that happens anyone supporting their regressive hate filled bullshit is a pile of human shit as far as I’m concerned. It’s past the point of being able to claim willful ignorance, even Fox News has had to pull away from trump and correct his blatant lies that he tries to incite his goons with its so bad.