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[-] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 15 points 11 months ago

We wouldn't even need a military if nobody became a soldier.

They are literally the solution to the problem they cause themselves.

[-] Sanyanov@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

Exactly.

"We protect you"...from guys like you on the other side? Cool, thanks.

[-] CommanderCloon@lemmy.ml 4 points 11 months ago

That stance is pure idealism. Yeah sure, it'd be great not to spend the money or emit CO2 just to make sure we don't get invaded*, but since that is a risk, and you can't just kumbaya it away.

Then, since having a military is at minima a defensive imperative, how is wanting to be a defender anything close to bad? Granted, some armies are pure ideological cancer, but that does not define what an army is, and it's not a global issue.

To get straight to the moral dichotomy of our time, how can you say that the English army who defended itself against the Wehrmacht were the same as the Wehrmacht? I'm not trying to corner you or being disingenuous, I don't get how you can say that all armies are somewhat the same

  • (this doesn't apply to the US military which is pure bloat)
[-] Sanyanov@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

Hot take: Wehrmacht fought a defensive war. Everyone fights a defensive war.

Wehrmacht tried to defend and secure the future of Arian race, they defended themselves against a perceived threat of Jews overrunning them.

English, while fighting fiercely against Germans, still militarily held their colony in India, protecting the interests of the crown.

Israeli army is now committing genocide, repeatedly and casually doing war crimes - in the name of protection, of course.

Every army, given the chance, will claim defensive interest in the war that's to come. That's why biggest war aggressor countries have Ministries of Defence, not Ministries of Offence.

There are all kinds of institutions out there that can help mediate demilitarization. Yet leaders of many countries don't want that, and we should force them to do so - primarily through the inside democratic pressure, whenever possible.

[-] jmankman@lemmy.myserv.one 6 points 11 months ago

To add to this, we renamed our department of war to the department of defense.

this post was submitted on 04 Dec 2023
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