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[-] squiblet@kbin.social 99 points 11 months ago

What kind of weird opposite shit is this? Liberals? Liberals tend to be criticizing Israel and decrying civilian deaths and criticizing Israel, while conservatives are supporting the (far-right) govt. of Israel.

[-] aseriesoftubes@lemmy.world 38 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

There are some on the far far left who get their jollies by referring to everyone who isn’t an actual communist as a “liberal.” There’s a whole ecosystem of memes decrying shit that right-wingers are responsible for and blaming it on “liberals.”

My guess is that they’re making a distinction between communism and classical liberalism.

Liberalism is a political and moral philosophy based on the rights of the individual, liberty, consent of the governed, political equality, right to private property and equality before the law. Liberals espouse various views depending on their understanding of these principles but generally support private property, market economies, individual rights (including civil rights and human rights), liberal democracy, secularism, rule of law, economic and political freedom, freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of assembly, and freedom of religion, constitutional government and privacy rights.

[-] squiblet@kbin.social 23 points 11 months ago

Yes, the people who call themselves leftists or communists (on lemmy for instance) often use 'liberal' to mean Classic Liberal or Neoliberal, which basically means free-market capitalist. That's the definition used in Europe. It's confusing because it is not at all what we mean in the US. Though Democratic Party politicians are definitely mostly capitalist, we use Liberal to refer to being left on social issues in particular, and sometimes also economics.

[-] catch22@startrek.website 12 points 11 months ago

Marx and Engels are very insistent that liberalism is a tool of the bourgeois.

Although, I think more often than not defining anything short of hardcore central control to achieve some notion of socialism, probably scientific because utopian is naive and fucking libs blah blah, is just used by crypto fascists to give their violent bigoted authoritarian tendencies an aire of legitimacy. Pretty much what the Bolsheviks did to turn the initial revolution into a fascist cesspit.

[-] jackalope@lemmy.ml 5 points 11 months ago
[-] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

Thanks for the informative article.

[-] cristo@lemmy.world -4 points 11 months ago

What the is a crypto fascist lmao

[-] jackalope@lemmy.ml 1 points 11 months ago

The distinction is silly anyway. Classical liberals like John Stuart Mill called for communism.

[-] FartsWithAnAccent@kbin.social 24 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

The joke doesn't work and the comic sucks in general. News at 10.

[-] clearleaf@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

It changed. A few years ago people were scared to talk about Israel. This comic would have applied. But now it's different, something happened and you can talk about Israel all you want now and there will just be a couple people complaining. And those people will speak as vaguely as possible and dodge any questions about what country they're from.

[-] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 6 points 11 months ago

Probably the thing that changed is that they turned Gaza into a concentration camp and are now committing genocide.

[-] clearleaf@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

That's not exactly a new thing though. They've always been an apartheid ethnostate taking steps to erode Palestine bit by bit. What would you think of someone criticizing Israel in 2021?

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