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Time to recast and move on. Kang is a comic book space wizard. We can suspend our disbelief that much further. Maybe choose a much older actor and let the age difference be part of the explanation.
Kang is already a multidimensional being. Loki established that multidimensional beings can look like pretty much anything (even alligators). Recasting Kang is the easiest thing to do in cannon. "Turns out, those Kangs aren't the most common it's actually the new Kang"
But in their amazing ant man movie they all look exactly the same.
They just have to George Lucas that mid-credits scene with all the Kangs. It was pretty dumb anyway with all of them screaming hysterically. Now they have good cause to redo it 😏
Just replay that scene and pull back out of a screen in the TVA, where Mobius looks disturbed. O.B. says, "That many of one person in one place isn't good for anybody! They're up to no good, I can tell just by looking at them."
B-15, her jaw set firm, pushes a big red button that says PRUNE, and says, "Good riddance."
The entire arena dissolves, and a moment later Alioth consumes it all in one great gulp.
Mobius sighs, and says, "Nobody tell Victor about this."
This is a situation where they could retroactively change the post credit scene and nobody would really give a shit. It would be hilarious if there was outrage over changing an easter egg scene in a movie nobody even liked.
I liked it 😟
I was pretty lukewarm on it and I've liked most of marvel's stuff, particularly the ones generally disliked (Ms. Marvel, She-Hulk, The Marvels, Eternals, and Dr. Strange MoM). Even as a huge fan of the first two, I couldn't find much to enjoy from Quantumania. Paul Rudd was, of course, great. I thought the setting was fun. I even didn't dislike MODOK. Plot and dialogue weren't up to snuff though.
But yes I was giving broad strokes, and even with Marvels' box office failure, I think Quantumania is regarded as the worst in the franchise.
Yup, but Loki altered all the timelines, so now they look like this instead!
I agree it has to be the easiest character ever to swap out an actor on.
It turns out, that all of those Kang's don't happen... Because Loki. Anyway here's a bunch more Kangs because time is infinite and this is fiction not science.
Have him make some cheeky remark like, "were you expecting somebody else?" And I legitimately do not care who they cast as long as he has charisma and can be convincing as a cold hearted monster that is eleventy-seven times smarter than just about anyone around him except for Dr Doom.
I've said it a few times, but I feel like they could have Dr. Doom come in to kill Kang pretty easily. It'd set up a new big bad, introduce the Fox Verse, and even set him up as the leader of any potential Battleworld in the future.
Kang even before the allegations hasn't been received all that well. A soft-reset with Doom might make people excited again. Imo all mystique of the character was already ruined in the Multiverse of Madness post-credits. A FoxVerse Vs MCU battle movie would touch on Endgame levels of hype.
He who Remains was fantastic, so fun to watch. Kang in Ant-Man was shit but so was all of that movie.
He was well received but he's a cunt so bye.
One thing I didn't like too well about the whole Kang thing is He Who Remains said that he discovered multiversal travel in the 32nd century and that resulted in the war. This made it seem like traveling the Multiverse was a near impossibility until he mastered it in the far future.
Then as Phase 4 continued, and turns out it's something kinda easy which became the plot for a few movies.
I think you have to view it as one timeline.
The timeline reached the 32nd century where the tech was found. Causing a basically soft reset for the timeline where going back in time technically happens after the 32nd century discovery. If the timeline could be drawn that would be where it goes cattywampus
Literally everything that happened up until that point has been him tinkering with the timeline. Its possible in his native timeline none of that happened before he was born.
I think he was pretty well considered up until Quantumania.
Yeah quantumania killed all hype for kane for me. How can they expect him to be a multiversal threat but he gets beat by ants!? That film needed to be a bit of a bad ending. Everyone gets out so good there. But kang did not lose the fight, they just escaped. That is how it should've went down to big him up further.
Couple things;
1: Kang was trapped in the quantum realm with nothing. The thing that makes Kang personally dangerous is his technology. This was his "built an iron man suit in a cave" movie.
2: the ants had created a type-2 civilization and, were they hostile to earth, would literally be an avengers level threat on their own.
It took 3 Ant-People, a futuristic army of cyborg ants that can build Dyson spheres, the betrayal of a war machine Kang built, and no small amount of luck (and capitalization on Kang's arrogance) to win.
I don't much care if you like the movie - we all have our own preferences - but he was definitely not just a throwaway villain in it. I'm a big Kang fan and they definitely did Kang justice, even if people didn't like the movie itself.
Plus his whole purpose in the overarching story was to lead into the eventual collapse of timelines, also mentioned in Multiverse of Madness, which is why Kang does what he does.
There is president for recasting in the MCU already, they swapped out Hulk and War Wachine without even a line of dialogue to address it.
"Look, it's me. I'm here. Deal with it. Let's move on" - Iron Man 2, introducing a new Rhodey.
Best way to wink at the viewer while having the line make sense in context.
If they comment about changing Kang I’m afraid any subtly will be missing.
She-Hulk acknowledges it. "I was a different person back then." (She-Hulk smirks into camera)
They swapped the Hulk 3 times, and that's not counting Lou Feringo!
? Is Harrison Ford not taking the role after all?
Isn’t the whole threat of Kang the fact that there’s an infinite number of him? Like, explaining the recasting Kang in the store seems like the easiest job ever.
The problem is that Quantumania post-credits. >!It's a lot harder to explain a recasting as multiverse shenanigans when they showed so many copies of him that all looked the same.!<
I mean, Bruce Banner isn't Edward Norton anymore, and Rhodey isn't Terrance Howard anymore. Those didnt even need multiversal hand waving to explain away. People just accepted it.
I was about to post this. You don't need some huge, complex reason to change actors. It's already been done and no one batted an eye.
I mean, if you ask me Don Cheadle has never brought the same magnetic energy that Terrance Howard did but oh well.
Yeah, but still. If there are variants where he’s different colors there are variants where he’s physically different in other ways too, kinda like Loki and Sylvie. Also, if I remember correctly there was a variant in that scene who looked like an alien or something.
There was an alligator Loki.
Oh yeah, that too lol
Yeah, but still. If there are variants where he’s different colors there are variants where he’s physically different in other ways too, kinda like Loki and Sylvie. Also, if I remember correctly there was a variant in that scene who looked like an alien or something.
Yeah, but still. If there are variants where he’s different colors there are variants where he’s physically different in other ways too, kinda like Loki and Sylvie. Also, if I remember correctly there was a variant in that scene who looked like an alien or something.
Yeah, but still. If there are variants where he’s different colors there are variants where he’s physically different in other ways too, kinda like Loki and Sylvie. Also, if I remember correctly there was a variant in that scene who looked like an alien or something.
Yeah, but still. If there are variants where he’s different colors there are variants where he’s physically different in other ways too, kinda like Loki and Sylvie. Also, if I remember correctly there was a variant in that scene who looked like an alien or something.
It still gets messy between needing to promote the first few appearances and the inevitable "snark" among the influencers.
Unless they are willing to edit antman and whatever (it is Disney, they likely can contractually do that), they are still promoting majors every time they encourage people to watch the whole saga. Again, Disney, so I assume royalties aren't a concern, but it still makes the product look bad.
If the movies until now were better received, I could see them trying to salvage it. As it stands? This is an easy out and they can justify all the many missteps and chalk it up to something out of their control. Which may also be an opportunity to further split the overall arcs and reduce the stakes a bit while they build up new characters.