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"Both parties are the same!"
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I am not saying I am not voting for Biden, but running on the platform of "vote for us or bad things will happen" is a shitty platform.
Look I get it, I also wanted someone different than Biden in 2020. But I truly don't think it's sane political strategy to run a different democratic candidate when you already have a sitting democratic president who's able to run for another term. The loss of the incumbent advantage is way higher than any benefit a new candidate would bring (from a voter turnout perspective, not a policy one). People would be rightly furious if the Democrats ran a new guy only to lose to trump based on name recognition alone.
I think it's the sane option when said candidate is 80 years old.
Most people are in a care home or dead at that age.
That's true of both of them, thereby making your point moot.
If you really want to change this, run in your local elections, and state elections. You can change far more at the local level than the federal, by design.
The wish for one party to select somebody under 80 years old is not moot just because the other party is likely going to select an 80+ year old. Especially if there is a sizable voter block who are more easily swayed to vote for someone under 50.
How does local voting make it more likely to get younger presidents? I'm not sure I understand that point.
The reason the right has been able to push Christo-Nationalism into the highest levels of government is because they started small 50 years ago. You can't just plop radical in the highest office and expect anything big to change. You need to slowly fill in the lower ranks and brainwash constituents at a local level until the process naturally begins to favor trumpian candidates, at which point a dictator is bound to eventually emerge with the full, unwavering support of a large chunk of the populous. The American left is half a century behind the fascists. It's not about any one candidate, it's about altering the political ecosystem to make it more favorable to your ideology.
Democrats switched to corporate garbage in way less than 50 years.
Your comment addresses nothing I said and actively lowers the quality of conversation in this thread.
You expect progressives to take 50 years what took the corpodems less. I'm not sure what you're having a hard time following. In any event, centrists sling abuse when they aren't capable of countering an argument, so I accept your concession. Have a blessed day.
I expect nothing. I'm sorry I hurt your feelings by saying that people 50 years ago dropped the ball, but thems the facts. We're clearly talking past each other, so why don't you go jack off or whatever teenagers do in their spare time these days.
I already accepted your concession. You don't need to concede a second time.
Local voting is how you get change in general to happen. The federal government is setup to resist change. The local governments aren't. If you want a young Presidential candidate in a decade or two, find a 20-25 year old you trust to be mayor now, and then either a state level senator, or governor.
I'm not disagreeing. It just doesn't add to the point in my opinion. We are talking about now, and local governments (in my anecdotal experience) are in no way as old as recent national politicians.
Democrats are useless on purpose and intend to always be.
I hope Unions do the good that Democrats refuse to.
Henry Cuellar.
Bloomberg or Delaney?
Of the two major parties, the GOP is far closer to what you’re describing. If it wasn’t for fear mongering, the GOP wouldn’t have anything at all to go off of. Bad things will happen like, immigrants flooding the borders, socialism raising your taxes, your kids being taught to be gay, etc. “Vote for us or bad things will happen” might as well be the official slogan of the GOP. Either that or “White Christians good, everyone else, bad”. Take your pick.
"Democrats are running on a disgusting fear-mongering campaign! I know so because somebody sometime said something on twitter! ...although I wasn't paying that much attention, too distracted doomscrolling while fondling my confirmation purity bias."
Bruv, we get it, but it is literally a binary choice. Can’t fix shit if there’s nothing left to fix, nahmean?
No, everyone loves being scared and shamed into voting for a candidate that supports a genocide.
The longer that centrists scream that anyone who doesn't like Biden's support for genocide must be a Trumpist/Russian/bot/child/etc, the more I think that they looked at the genocide and were like "fucking finally!"
That's not the platform they are running on at all though. That's something I only hear progressives online say as they attack centrists to the delight of right wingers.
You never heard "we need to stop trump" or "help us stop trump" from democrats? Being not-trump has been the party platform ever since he got elected, to the point where they adoringly talk about any republican that has argued against him, even scumbags like john bolton.
I think their point is that Democrats aren't progressives. They're Neo-Liberals, aka, conservatives.
I personally have to hold my nose and vote for Democrats when the party puts forth the most milquetoast conservatives that they can possibly find. Hell they had to run an 80 year old candidate just to find someone that agrees with the DNC corporate policies.
This isn't to say both parties are the same. They aren't. The Republicans are absolutely fascists that want to destroy democracy because it doesn't work for them at all. The Democrats are only willing to work with democracy because it's working for them thus far.
Yup this is the only way one should vote Democrat, holding their noses and throwing up in their mouth a bit, you're doing it the right way lol
Don't tell that to all those weekend armchair political quarterbacks, though, you'll be bombarded by a barrage of "mUh PuRiTy! bOtH pArTiEs ArE tHe SaMe LoL aMiRiTe!" confirmation-biased autistic screeching.
Other voters have standards. I get that you don't but you need the people to your left that you hate if you want to defeat the fascists.
The more you comment, the more true your claims. Oh wait no that's not how anything ever works, my bad.
If you don't think you need the votes of people who have standards, don't blame them if you lose. You didn't need them, after all.
You know in cheesy anime when the main character goes on a diatribe that sounds super deep and meaningful at first until you try to assemble the 'thought' and the actual meaning sounds absolutely garbled?
You know how you can tell when a centrist can't address what you've said? They get condescending.
Biggest damned tell ever. Don't take up poker.
Wait, were you just condescending? 🤣 Centrists gonna centrist I guess
Ok, great, thanks for pointing out the obvious. Unfortunately, complaining about it doesn't make it any less true. This is a triage situation; we have to save our democracy first, and only then can we worry about fixing it.
A shitty platform is born out of a shitty system rotten to the core.
Yeah exactly. It's so shitty we will most likely have 2 terrible terrible choices.
And that this will keep being the case until Democrats move so far to the right that we have two functionally identical parties or the lesser evil finally loses and we have only one.
If there was a worse Hitler, Tiedrich would argue we need to vote for Hitler and convince you there's no other option.
If you think that's the platform their running on you haven't been paying attention.
It's simple, vote 3rd party
Not without ranked choice voting in place first.
Wait, we’re getting ranked choice?
No, because Democrat dickwads like Newsom veto it when they can and the legislators don’t have the intestinal fortitude to override the veto despite passing with a veto-proof majority.
In primaries, yes. In the presidential election, no. That's how we get DeSantis.
DeSantis is done. We (the progressives) don't have that option any more (as opposed to full on dictator Trump as our alternative option to Biden) Disney has effectively buried DeSantis.
Don't get me wrong. DeSantis would have been far more effective as a dictator that Trump ever will be. DeSantis was supposed to be more subtle and therefore more effective than Trump for the fascists. He picked a fight with Disney, and has removed that aspect of his political currency. I'm particularly glad that DeSantis did this, as I still feel that he would be much more destructive to the US democracy than Trump has ever imagined in his most feverish of delusional fantasies.
lol okay bruh. Go ahead and shoot yourself in the dick.