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Once worked with a guy who refused to wash dishes, said that is a woman's responsibility. He only uses paper plates and plastic utensils.
I never asked him if he cooked but kind of figure it'd the be same answer LOL.
That is so bizarre. Cooking and cleaning aren’t women’s responsibilities, they are adult responsibilities.
What separates things out is the degree of implementation.
A reasonable man will slap together a simple and hearty yet healthy meal with 2-3 separate items on a plate. A lot of women will jack that shit up to 11 and make it a 3-course meal.
A reasonable man will clean until things are clean to the needs of the situation. If it’s a plate, it’s until it is clean enough to safely eat off of. If it’s a barn floor, clearly those standards are a lot lower; be happy if you see a broom come out. A lot of women will insist on surgical-room cleanliness regardless of the location.
A man should never have any reluctance to cooking and cleaning. It’s called basic adulting. What we need to watch out for is to align our efforts to the needs and conditions of the situation. We men are here to be practical.
Folks, we are witnessing toxic masculinity live in this thread, look at the way this toxic male masterfully injects his internalized misogyny into a comment that sounds reasonable at first but quickly devolves into more gender stereotypes, portrayals of woman as unreasonable, impractical, and irrational. Look at how he tacitly emasculates any man who likes to cook for the joy of cooking or clean things beyond a bare minimum. What a rare opportunity to witness the toxic male engaging in such iconic behavior, while unaware of it's surroundings.
Real c/SelfAwarewolves territory.
You sound like you worship Andrew Tate.
Probably got it from one of his courses.
That moron?
The most absurd thing I've seen a man refuse to do because of toxic masculinity is just scroll past an innocuous comment without replying a bunch of misogynistic bullshit.
You really should have stopped after the first paragraph it just devolved from there on.
Right?! I started to up vote, then I saw the current score, kept reading, and found out why
Ah, yes. Because real-world experience is just so passé.
Sorry for intruding into your ideology with facts and reality.
Oh god that's funny. What's my ideology then? I wasn't aware that basic human observation was ideology now.
I think the problem you have is the people you hang out with are awful if that's your world view based on observed reality.
Perhaps you should join a support group or something.
You are a fucking embarassment to all men.
So as the non-toxic arbiter of facts and reality, what exactly are women here for?
Why TF would I have any say in that? I’m a man, not a woman. I just observe how they behave and act, and take note of common trends and broad patterns.
Since you're specifying that men are here to be practical, you're saying that woman are not practical:
Do you see why that's a toxic attitude to have?
You are hitting a surprisingly large number of logical fallacies with that statement. Nowhere did I say anything to that, I strongly suggest checking your own biases for that source.
Of course that’s a toxicity that has been externally imposed on men. Chris Rock was absolutely correct with his quote - a man who isn’t providing something of value is seen as useless. So in order to avoid going down “unproductive” paths that provide no value or utility to our betters, men have to always be providing value; to not waste time and energy on things that aren’t useful.
You see this everywhere in Nature, where males provide value through demonstrations of genetic fitness via gaudy displays that require effort and internal resources to pull off. Without those displays of fitness, they have absolutely no value and the females utterly ignore them.
This is parody, right?
No, he actually believes that men can be "reasonable" and "practical" as opposed to women, who typically do not "align [their] efforts to the needs and conditions of the situation."
Would have been a good answer if you stopped after word #13.
By my count it's word 14. After the first paragraph, anyway.
Oh yes, I'd contracted "That is" in my brain
Bruh
I think your point applies more to people rather than just men or women.
People have different standards for cleanliness.
I've come across men who are need-freaks and women who are slobs.
Don't you think that this "men are here to be practical" theory has some gaps? Like there are plenty of men who do the things that you describe as unnecessary
I'm not saying that barns should be sweeped or that everyone should cook fancy meals. But to say that people who do do that are (as you seem to be implying) overdoing it, or impractical is a bit unfair I think. I am also quite practical but still respect that others have higher standards or just "want things their way" which should be at least a little relatable to everyone.