Must Watch Video on why the Star Wars Fandom Hates LGBTIAQ+ People (www.youtube.com)

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Amazing video produced by Jessie Gender along with a group of creators whom many of them are from the ** LGBTIAQ+ community** .

I knew from my anthropology class many years ago that George Lucas borrowed concept from the The Hero with a Thousand Faces.

What I did not know is that the author, Joseph Campbell is:

A misogynist
An antisemite
Didn't research properly

This explains why the hero must be a (white) men.

Carl Jung's theory about collective unconsciousness and archetypes are also outdated and discarded by psychology.

The archetypes reduce women to "mother", "Goddess". etc. but never the hero.

Also, since Jung's theory categories people neatly into archetypes, those who does not fit social norm (LGBTQIA+ people) were never represented.

When the creation is based on such shaky foundations, no wonder the Star Wars fandom turns out to be racist and misogynist.

Btw, do you know who else's book borrows heavily from Jung? Jordan Peterson.

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[-] ArumiOrnaught@kbin.social 5 points 10 months ago

Of course you're allowed to like it. Even if something is bad for you there is a reason "guilty pleasure" is a thing. I haven't watched the video so I don't know what all it says.

I'm in the camp that says the Jedi is a fascist organization and I think the grey Jedi are a cool group. You should look them up, you might like them because they're both light and dark side.

[-] PerogiBoi@lemmy.ca 6 points 10 months ago

I think analyzing the story and context through a critical psychology lens and determining that all of the fandom must have a unified ideology is silly and the product of someone having way too much time and imagination on their hands.

I liked action and lightsabers and space ships as a kid. Doesn’t mean I’m a fascist or anti lgbtqia+. This reductive thinking that often is pushed here serves no purpose other than to further divide and classify people.

Jedi are idealogues just like the Sith. They complete each other because they’re both extremists on opposite spectrums. The Jedi had big gaping flaws throughout their history, obviously so have the Sith.

I’m just here for Jar Jar.

[-] IcedCoffeeBitch@beehaw.org 3 points 10 months ago

While I agree with you it would make a more interesting story to have a balance of dark and light, it's important to note George Lucas' interpretation of the Force is that there is no 'light side' but rather there is The Force and there is going against the will of the Force, aka the Dark Side. Therefore, to Lucas' POV, the Jedi are sometimes misguided but intrisically good while the Sith are intrisically evil.

In my personal interpretation tho (which I think Clone Wars and other media tend to agree with me) Jedi in the prequels were blinded by the power they achieved and hence were ignorant and complacent to the bad stuff they indirectly and directly did or helped do. Which is why Gray Jedi (Jedi that didn't follow the Council) were closer to being like what Jedi were supposed to be, than the others were.

[-] ArumiOrnaught@kbin.social 2 points 10 months ago

This isn't an attack on you, but a personal belief. I don't care what the authors intentions are. They can shed light on something but once it's out, the media is out of their hands. Great example is the book "starship troopers" and the movie.

Another thing I dislike is the 'natural' fallacy. Because force is described as 'natural'. What's natural is death, life, decay, growth, order, disorder. What the Jedi were shown to be is a weird sex cult that prevented people from getting in unless you had a 'birth right'.

If grey Jedi is what all jedi were supposed to be, then that is one thing. But that isn't what was shown.

[-] IcedCoffeeBitch@beehaw.org 1 points 10 months ago

Yeah, The Force involves life and death. The Force's will is actually to embrace a balance of both. But Dark Side users go against the will of the Force, for the sake of power or even for the sake of extending their own life or others.

I would argue that Luke and Ahsoka are great examples of gray Jedi (especially if we don't count sequel material). In Luke's case, in the OT it could be argued that his love for his friends, when he leaves Yoda to save them, and his belief that there was still good inside his father, made him a better Jedi than all before him. To me, he rejected tradition to do what was right. And that is what makes a great Jedi.