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this post was submitted on 23 Dec 2023
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I disagree. It's tantamount to fraud and you better believe people have died because of it.
People have died because of the price gouging? Im no musk fan boy but this echo chamber of nonsense with you people just makes this community seem completely ridiculous. Car companies have been selling crap with high price tags since cars were a thing.
No, because of the bad build quality, obviously.
For some reason, "fast, shoddily built and weighs two metric tons" isn't great for avoiding faults that sometimes lead to fatalities.
Maybe think for a second more before you start ranting about someone else being ridiculous 🙄
The comment was bout the price / quality differential. Anyway, what data are you looking at that the build quality affects safety? I have only seen high safety ratings and build quality being about panel lines and interior material complaints etc, not safety.
For example, below is the kind of welding that passes muster at Tesla. The Tesla quality assurance as instituted by Musk himself is "don't. It makes the wait lists shrink more slowly".
Would you feel safe accelerating 0-60 in under 4 seconds in two tons of badly assembled steel? I sure wouldn't!
Well, I'm more of a math and data kind of guy. I don't drive a Tesla and likely never will but Tesla has exceeded safety test rankings beyond the vast majority of other manufacturers and has received numerous top accolades from very reputable safety sources. They may skimp on cosmetic quality, but their track record does not suggest they have on safety. But say what you want, my point here is that this is an echo chamber of nonsense and you will surely find the support you crave here.
Those were all in the beginning when they were new and trying to impress the world. To say standards have slipped since then is the understatement of the century.
Never trust a guy who says "I'm not a fan boy but" and then repeatedly brushes all criticism of what he's pretending not to fanboy over as "echo chamber nonsense". 😂
Especially not after him repeating PR talking points almost word for word for what would have been at least two paragraphs with better formatting 🙄
That's an interesting stance. The logic of your statement reads as:
If someone agrees with me I'm right. If someone disagrees with me, then the person disagreeing is automatically doing so in bad faith and their opinions should be automatically dismissed without consideration making me right.Under your logic what statements ever allow for someone to challenge or correct you and learn something new?
Nope. The logic is that "I'm not a fan boy but" is usually as true as "I'm not a racist but".
In both cases, what follows will usually be proof that everything before "but" was a lie.
Or to put it in yet another way: people who feel the need to assure others that they're definitely not fan boys..are usually fan boys.
Me being right or wrong has nothing to do with it at all.
Are you then saying that you'll consider someone's opinion that is contrary to yours as long as they don't mention they "aren't a fanboy"? Its just those words that trigger you to dismiss them entirely?
I'm saying that there's being open minded, which is a good thing, and then there's wasting your time trying to talk sense into people blinded by hero worship/follower identify to the point of being unreachable and/or arguing in bad faith.
The latter is a bad thing that I'm trying to become better at avoiding but am doing right now with you and was doing before with Definitely Not A Fan Boy Nuh-uh.
I can certainly appreciate that. My concern is that it appears your criteria for labeling someone as someone to dismiss looks very shaky.
I'm doing a similar exercise with you too, if that helps. I'm trying to understand where your lines are and how you arrive there because I'm interested in knowing the best ways to communicate (to you and anyone else). You're clearly putting though into this and there is also clearly a method to which you apply your decisions, but I'm at a loss to understand it.
Perhaps its best to part when both of us are conciliatory. If so, I'll thank you for your conversation up to now and hope the rest of your day is great!