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9 days after writing in defence of a Free Palestine, Paul Biggar is dropped from his director role at CircleCI (hachyderm.io)

submitted 10 months ago by danielquinn@lemmy.ca to c/opensource@lemmy.ml

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His original post , titled I can't sleep, is some brilliant writing. When we talk about the chilling effect that criticism of Israel creates in industries everywhere (including ours) this is what that looks like.

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[-] sab@kbin.social 81 points 10 months ago

Does someone know if anyone maintains a list of companies or organizations where this kind of bullshit has gone down, with link to sources? Could be useful to keep track.

I can't believe how quickly we went from pretending we thought murdering civilians was a bad thing to concluding it's merely a matter of killing the right civilians.

[-] danielquinn@lemmy.ca 47 points 10 months ago

There's a conversation going on in that Mastodon thread where one dude is proposing a static site fueled by a fact-checked list, but that's the only thing I've seen other than BDS.

[-] sab@kbin.social 15 points 10 months ago

Thanks - here's a direct link to the conversation, for anyone interested.

[-] Goun@lemmy.ml 2 points 10 months ago

Shit, I'm on the phone over the holidays, will keep an eye on this. Thanks!

[-] AnneBonny@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 10 months ago

I will preface this by saying that there are risks to being openly involved.

There are people work to avoid taking actions that may benefit Israel:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boycott,_Divestment_and_Sanctions

https://bdsmovement.net/get-involved/what-to-boycott

[-] EmptySlime@lemmy.blahaj.zone 19 points 10 months ago

Definitely doesn't help that most of the damn US has some form of Anti-BDS laws. Because everybody knows Anti-Zionism is Anti-Semitism right guys?

[-] Facebones@reddthat.com 10 points 10 months ago

The US ""free market"" - Where if you choose not to do business with somebody they make it illegal not to.

[-] AnneBonny@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 10 months ago

Anti-Zionism and antisemitism are not the same thing, but neither are they mutually exclusive.

[-] sab@kbin.social 10 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Anti-fascism and anti-semitims are also not mutually exclusive. Anti-communism and anti-consumerism are not mutually exclusive. Anti-war and anti-liberalism are not mutually exclusive. Anti-abortion and anti-gay rights are not mutually exclusive.

Hell, few things are mutually exclusive. You had a handful of god-damn Jewish Nazis and one fucking honorary aryan during the war. So not even Semitism and anti-Semitism are mutually fucking exclusive.

Things not being mutually exclusive is a pretty fucking moot argument.

[-] AnneBonny@lemmy.dbzer0.com -3 points 10 months ago

Things not being mutually exclusive is a pretty fucking moot argument.

It's not an argument.

[-] sab@kbin.social 4 points 10 months ago

So what is it?

[-] AnneBonny@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 10 months ago

It was a statement. Why do you find it so upsetting that something antisemitic might also be called anti-Zionist?

[-] sab@kbin.social 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Anti-Semitism is used for people who dislike Jews, anti-Zionism is opposition to a political ideology. One of these is deplorable, the other is vital to any non-totalitarian society, whether you agree with it or not.

By blurring the line between the two you are at best either legitimizing anti-Semitism or pushing towards a totalitarian mindset where political ideologies cannot be challenged. In reality you're doing both. And even worse, I think you know what you're doing.

[-] AnneBonny@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 10 months ago

By blurring the line between the two you are at beist either legitimizing anti-Semitism or pushing towards a totalitarian mindset where political ideologies cannot be challenged

How am I blurring the line?
What did I say that made it more difficult for you or anyone else to determine what is anti-Zionism and what is antisemitism?
Did I suggest some change to the definition of what constitutes something being labeled one or the other?
Did I suggest a method for determining what is antisemitic or anti-Zionist?
Did I make a false statement?

[-] library_napper@monyet.cc 1 points 10 months ago

Grear idea! I'm curious if theres an equivalent for BLM that can be forked

[-] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 3 points 10 months ago

You are gonna want to clarify that.

[-] intensely_human@lemm.ee 1 points 10 months ago

If you want a precise list you need to precisely define the bullshit you’re referring to. You want a list of companies that have done what exactly?

[+] Pohl@lemmy.world -23 points 10 months ago

Did we used to conduct war in a way that was safe for civilians? I’m not aware of that history. The war in Gaza looks like war to me. The same way we have been practicing it since we picked up our first sticks in anger. Murdering civilians is a consequence of war. The “good guys” fire bombed Dresden and nuked Japan.

I would give more examples but being honest I am straining to think of other wars in human history that were worth fighting. I am drawing a blank. All of it is pointless slaughter. At least in Gaza you can understand that the Israelis were provoked to war. Can’t say the same for the US in most of our wars.

[-] fruitycoder@sh.itjust.works 18 points 10 months ago

The circumstances of Gaza seem to warrant them attacking their captors. I don't support any attacks on civillians, but Israel being attacked seems to be a result of a failure on their part to make peaceful change possible.

[-] Pohl@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

When we start making excuses for violence we abandon any hope of a peaceful world. There is always some slight that requires reprisal which will begat further reprisal. No party in this conflict has the strength to resist. No part has the moral high ground.

Might as well hunt down Churchill and Truman’s descendants and murder them to avenge their grandfathers casting the first stones in this conflict.