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[–] Pratai@lemmy.ca -3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

Can I get a show of hands from the people that think in a larger picture…. BOTH sides in this conflict are the bad guys?

EDIT: So far, it seems there are people having a difficult time understanding what I’m asking so I’ll simplify:

If you haven’t chosen a side in this- and think BOTH countries need to chill the fuck out and sit down and shut the fuck up until they can talk things out like adults-

Raise your hand.

[–] Keeponstalin@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

Hamas and the PA don't control countries. They control internally occupied territories under military control of Israel (different degrees in Gaza and the West Bank), which controls all imports, exports, food, water, travel, etc of the Occupied Palestinian Territories. Gaza is literally undergoing famine extreme water scarcity, with extremely limited medical aid by the design of Israel. Israel has been in complete control, either internally or externally, of Gaza and the West Bank since 1967

International pressure is how this ends, like it did with South Africa

[–] qevlarr@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They are not the same even if there's bad guys on both sides. Israel is a rich state with an advanced military that tries to keep the other side in the relative stone age without any resources whatsoever. It is becoming clearer every day that this is meant to drive Gazans off of their own land, into Egypt or dead, doesn't matter

[–] Pratai@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I didn’t say they were the same. I said they’re both the bad guys.

[–] qevlarr@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

But then they're not, are they? One is a supposedly civilized democracy and the other is brutally oppressed by the first. This "both sides" stuff is trying to ignore that one side hass all the power here to end the conflict and the other is just trying to survive. In such a situation you have to acknowledge that actions of Hamas and Palestinian are not completely free but a result of the situation Israel put them in. You can't blame Palestinians for resisting their genocide. Of course things get ugly, they know what's up

[–] Draedron@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No side has the power to end the conflict. Israel could stop killing palestinians and let Gaza be. This works until Hamas commits the next terror act against Israel. Both sides are bad because both want the total destruction of the other.

[–] Bartsbigbugbag@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago

Stopping killing Palestinians wouldn’t be the end to the conflict, though, so it makes sense that it wouldn’t end hostilities. The end to the conflict would be the end of the ethnostate and institution of a secular society with equal rights to all that recognizes the right of return for Palestinians just as it does for people of Jewish descent. That isn’t a simple solution Netanyahu could do on his own, but it is definitely within the powers of the Israeli state, were there the will or desire.

[–] Deceptichum@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago

Israel and Hamas are both shit.

I only care about the Palestinians stuck in the shitshow.