287
submitted 11 months ago by pelespirit@sh.itjust.works to c/news@lemmy.world
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[-] someguy3@lemmy.ca 4 points 11 months ago

When we see a long term study which is double blinded in humans

For several generations like the this one this would be 60 years minimum. Basically can't be done.

[-] rowinxavier@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

I see what you are saying but I disagree. The changes that we would consider important for aspartame should happen over a reasonable period of time. If it takes 100 years to have an impact then we probably don't care because most people won't live that long. What we care about is whether it has an impact over meaningful lengths of time in a human life, say over a decade or two.

If I have tobacco every day for a year will I have cancer? Unlikely. But if I give a large number of people who are well randomised tobacco or tobacco substitute I will see changes in their outcomes in a short time, even as little as a year.

So for aspartame, we already know it is not a massive signal. If it were then people who find the taste acrid would be better off than those who do not. But is there a possible issue there? Sure, it is possible, but it will very likely be a mild issue over a long time at a high dose, not at small doses over a short time, so this study design is not fit for purpose and it should be ignored.

[-] someguy3@lemmy.ca 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

reasonable period of time.

That misses the entire point of studying multi generational effects.

we probably don’t care because most people won’t live that long.

Again, misses the entire point of studying multi generational effects.

meaningful lengths of time in a human life, say over a decade or two.

Again.

even as little as a year.

Again.

not a massive signal.

Again.

will very likely be a mild issue over a long time at a high dose, not at small doses over a short time,

That's the whole point of the study, to do a low dose over a super long time over generations. Not a high/med dose over a short time.

not at small doses over a short time,

Again, misses the entire point of studying multi generational effects.

so this study design is not fit for purpose and it should be ignored.

And a final: Again, misses the entire point of studying multi generational effects.

I think I'm going to say cheers since sorry to say you missed the entire point, objective, and goal of the study and you want to study something else entirely. Cheers.

this post was submitted on 25 Dec 2023
287 points (89.5% liked)

News

23361 readers
3287 users here now

Welcome to the News community!

Rules:

1. Be civil


Attack the argument, not the person. No racism/sexism/bigotry. Good faith argumentation only. This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban. Do not respond to rule-breaking content; report it and move on.


2. All posts should contain a source (url) that is as reliable and unbiased as possible and must only contain one link.


Obvious right or left wing sources will be removed at the mods discretion. We have an actively updated blocklist, which you can see here: https://lemmy.world/post/2246130 if you feel like any website is missing, contact the mods. Supporting links can be added in comments or posted seperately but not to the post body.


3. No bots, spam or self-promotion.


Only approved bots, which follow the guidelines for bots set by the instance, are allowed.


4. Post titles should be the same as the article used as source.


Posts which titles don’t match the source won’t be removed, but the autoMod will notify you, and if your title misrepresents the original article, the post will be deleted. If the site changed their headline, the bot might still contact you, just ignore it, we won’t delete your post.


5. Only recent news is allowed.


Posts must be news from the most recent 30 days.


6. All posts must be news articles.


No opinion pieces, Listicles, editorials or celebrity gossip is allowed. All posts will be judged on a case-by-case basis.


7. No duplicate posts.


If a source you used was already posted by someone else, the autoMod will leave a message. Please remove your post if the autoMod is correct. If the post that matches your post is very old, we refer you to rule 5.


8. Misinformation is prohibited.


Misinformation / propaganda is strictly prohibited. Any comment or post containing or linking to misinformation will be removed. If you feel that your post has been removed in error, credible sources must be provided.


9. No link shorteners.


The auto mod will contact you if a link shortener is detected, please delete your post if they are right.


10. Don't copy entire article in your post body


For copyright reasons, you are not allowed to copy an entire article into your post body. This is an instance wide rule, that is strictly enforced in this community.

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS