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Heavy election defeat could lead to Tory lurch to right, analysis shows
(www.theguardian.com)
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I'd like one of those election defeats where the tories are no longer the official opposition party, and they can go and do what they like as they'll be irrelevant.
So who would the opposition be then?
Lib Dems perhaps? Maybe the SNP doesn't get wiped out, that would be interesting. I know it's unlikely to happen, the UK is essentially a 2 party state at this point, but one can dream, right?
Don't think so. Lib Dems did the whole student loan pledge U-turn a decade ago and the electorate haven't forgiven them. Not even voting against ending our relationship with the EU or pledging to stop Brexit was enough for their forgiveness. Voters would rather be upset at them for student loans than to be in the EU ๐.
All true. But the Lib Dems are the primary beneficiaries of a Tory collapse (as the Tories were the primary beneficiaries of a Lib Dem collapse). They're duking it out in twice as many seats as Labour/Lib Dem marginals. Too nice to be Tories, too posh to be Labour is a big voting constituency, and it expands when the Tories make themselves too toxic for a big chunk of voters to stomach.
It's not much of an opposition if it's from the same political side though, is it?
The duopoly is boring and we need a new voting system to properly reflect the nation's views, but you can't have a centre-left government with a centre-left opposition, because there wouldn't be any opposition!
All of our current UK political parties are covering a wide enough range amongst their membership that they can form an opposition with themselves, never mind with a separate party :)
Your personal calibration may differ, but I'd say Labour cover between Left and Centre-Right, Lib-Dems between Centre-Left and Centre-Right, and Tories between Centre-Right and Far Right.
Assuming the Tories go full nasty party mode that might keep them a few strongholds. However I suspect the challenge to Labour will be from the left who will claim the centerists Labour of Stamer are not left wing enough making it harder and harder to maintain a majority for successive terms. Eventually a Cameron like figure will have to start another detoxifying process to pull the Tories back to the centre when they are bored of not getting power.
LibDems aren't the same political side. There's more the two opinions In politics.
Might as well be at the moment. Two centrist liberal parties, except the Lib Dems are slightly more progressive in terms of stuff like voting reform