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[-] axont@hexbear.net 16 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

EVs aren't a solution to anything except as a way to trick people into thinking purchasing a car is saving the environment or helping fix society.

If liberals are so shallow that they adopt racism because someone was mean to them online, then I'm glad they're being more honest. The message is that cars, all cars, are something worth fighting against. Electric cars are not a step in the right direction, they're not even a bandaid. They're just something liberals can purchase to make them feel like they're helping something. They're toys.

Honestly I would rather if most liberals outright come out as conservative, because it sounds like they're on the line already. It would be more honest of them.

[-] BehindTheBarrier@programming.dev 5 points 10 months ago

Adopting EVs is an important step imo. The primary achievement of going EV is reducing oil/gas use. Moving away from cars as a society is a separate goal that can happen alongside this. We can never make gas green, at best net zero. EVs on the other hand can be better, with electricity from renewable sources, to batteries made with better materials. Both things which are happening and actively being researched.

So we can make EVs much better environmentally, and reduce gas demand significantly alongside reducing car use. Because we won't just stop needing gas magically, so replacing that is important for any transition away from it in the grand scheme.

[-] axont@hexbear.net 9 points 10 months ago

Yeah I just don't see it. If we want to reduce oil/gas use then the goal would be eliminating private car use altogether and providing alternatives. EVs are still a huge machine designed to transport a single person. They're still a waste, not to mention how much the global south is getting exploited for their lithium.

Cars just aren't going to save anything. Here, I'll compromise. Electric bicycles.

[-] bufalo1973@lemmy.ml 2 points 10 months ago

For city use I agree with you but if you live in a small town you need a car. You are too far from almost everything you need. And you don't have public transport.

[-] axont@hexbear.net 3 points 10 months ago

Yeah I believe even that should change. Everything should change to incorporate fewer or no cars, including small towns.

[-] bufalo1973@lemmy.ml 1 points 10 months ago

If you live in a little town in the middle of nowhere you won't have public transport. It's too expensive. Private transport it's the only way to go anywhere from there. It's a shame but...

[-] axont@hexbear.net 3 points 10 months ago

Yeah I know that. It's a shame which is why we have to change it. We're out here building a better future.

[-] Floon@lemmy.ml 2 points 10 months ago

You are.... not as thoughtful about issues you care about as you think you are.

[-] axont@hexbear.net 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Yeah, I'm an angry ball of rage because I live in a white supremacist hellscape where everyone is too smug or too tired to care. I don't have any thoughts remaining other than the word fuck. The pretense of being thoughtful is a facade. My true self wants to roll in mud and scream obscenities at anyone I think looks too wealthy.

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