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Dave Chappelle fills Netflix special with jokes about trans and disabled people
(www.independent.co.uk)
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Fundie? That word has a specific meaning that is... not what you mean...
You’re naive. He’s not joking. He’s making statements that Trans Women aren’t Women. He makes jokes about Men faking being Women, because that’s what he believes. He’s said it over and over again. He’s such a narcissist that he feels he’s right and therefore everyone should be laughing and if not they are wrong.
Have you watched it? The actual thing?
No, they haven't. They just want to belong to a team.
I'll be a Chapelle fan then.
Actually supporting human rights for all is being a trans ally. Getting some laughs in at the expense of trans folks is not being a trans ally. There is a transitive property mental exercise here.
They are jokes. He is a comedian. Or should we cancel every comedian that is not 100% PC?
No need to answer though, I am pretty sure I know what is your stance on this.
Bullshit apologism.
Functionally zero comedians actually think being shitty to minorities is part of their job. It was an excuse invented and adopted by people who think dogshit views are acceptable if you sprinkle humor on them.
Exactly the alarmist, pearl clutching nonsense you're trying to accuse other people of. Seen any of Jimmy Carr's standup? He hosts multiple light entertainment shows.
Fuck, this Chapelles second Netflix special so who exactly who has been cancelled for "not being 100% PC"?
The reality is that vulnerable groups can absolutely tell the difference between jokes and elaborate setups for bigotry. Dave Chapelle built an entire career out of it.
The person who apparently can't tell the difference is you.
If you think that way, stop watching it, as I am sure you already did, and so many other people.
Now, if I do watch it and find it decent or even great, does that mean I am a transphobe?1
Yeah thanks for the sage advice grandad but we're all perfectly aware that we don't have to watch Netflix specials if we don't want to.
Yet despite Chapelle's specials and Hitler's speeches not being mandatory viewing just yet, we can nevertheless discuss the men, their rhetoric and the broader impact that rhetoric has on individuals and society in general.
Are you sure you didn't mean "just ignore it so nobody has this conversation in public where someone might change someone's mind"?
If people discussing transphobia in mainstream media bothers you, you can just not look at it, right? But here you are, sharing your opinions about people sharing their opinions.
You can be politically incorrect without punching down.
Source: The Chappelle's Show.
If he were merely telling unfunny, inoffensive jokes, people would stop listening. But people wouldn't call that canceling; they'd just say that he used to be great and place the blame on his shoulders. But because it's unfunny, offensive jokes, it's suddenly the audience's fault for walking away.
Don't blame the audience for refusing to listen to him. It's his job to draw people in, and it's his fault if he fails to do so.
That's fine for not liking his content. That's exactly what you should do, watch something else.
Now, to put everything into good vs bad, and say he "wants to kill us", and that by enjoying Chapelle's (which I don't even like so much these days) content you are automatically transphobe.
There's a very politically incorrect comedian I follow. There's one key difference however: he isn't an asshole.
It's a fine line. I do believe that making fun of something does make it mainstream and even approachable in a certain way. But people need to understand that there's a difference between a shock comic telling jokes to a consenting audience, and your cousin who secretly tried to kill himself before coming out last year.
Really the way this works is if the comedy is an avenue for empathy instead of hate, that's ok. If you tell a dark joke, and someone says "hey man that's not cool" then you should defer, and seek understanding, rather than getting defensive, because you are a brother or a mother or an uncle who has real impact on people close to them, not Dave Chapelle. So if that starts a conversation which makes you and those around you better people, then fine. If it creates a framework for exclusion and bullying, it's not fine. This seems very simple, but so many people struggle with it even on much lower stakes topics.