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The only way I can rationalize how much they're fucking up this response is that the party is still reeling from being painted as anti-semitic in 2012 and 2018, and they know that a bunch of Jewish Floridians are single-issue voters. I guess they think it's more important to shore up the Jewish vote in Florida than it is to shore up the youth vote elsewhere, and they're taking the position that as goes Florida, so does 2024.
I know they have to make calculated decisions like this, but isn’t this kind of thing why Hillary lost, because she basically didn’t campaign at all in a few states because she assumed her support would stick with her because she deserved it and trump only had degenerate supporters
To be fair, there's no single thing that explains why she lost. It was a perfect storm of fuck ups, misinformation, miscalculations, FBI interference, and chaos.
Clinton captured a huge majority of Jewish voters in 2016. She certainly dropped the ball in ignoring the Democratic Party's weak spots, all of which Trump's team targeted with laser precision. But despite her huge margin among Jews in Florida, she may have lost enough disaffected Jewish voters to lose Florida altogether. The margin was 112,911 votes, and there are around 500,000 Jews estimated to live in Florida. Could that have been the straw that broke the camel's back? Maybe.
Trump's overt pandering paid dividends in 2020, when he actually gained Jewish support in Florida, and I suspect the party sees that trend in flashing neon lights, and they're working overtime to make damn sure Biden's pro-Israel bona fides are absolutely unquestioned 10 months from now.
Florida is a red state. It's Trump's home state, It's a winner-take-all state. Biden won't be getting any electors from Florida.
If this is indeed the strategy, it's sheer foolishness. He's taking a hit nationwide just to shore up votes in a state he won't win.
I hope we're not running to win the popular vote and lose the election. Again.
An anti-Semitism scandal also wrecked Labour in the last UK election.
I think you're making this more complicated than it is. You're trying to view America's position as a domestic issue when it's an international one, and it's the international nature of the issue that explains America's position.
Although there is growing pressure and agreement that is real has gone too far, there is no appetite for suspending support for Israel.
The facts are:
There is no region of the world more essential to global security for the next 100 years than the Middle East;
Israel, though classified as a "flawed democracy" same as the US, is the only democracy in the region;
Hamas and Iran have a shared intention and goal to destroy Israel;
Israel is nuclear armed and will obviously not surrender to Tehran;
US support, specifically air and missile defense, is the thing that prevents Iran from invading Israel;
Open war between Iran and Israel will kill millions more people than there are in all of Palestine;
There is no appetite in Washington for another failed state in the middle east.
That's my two cents. The enemy here as usual is nationalism. Nationalists pervert everything, including democracy. Whether it's the nationalists in charge of Israel or the ones in charge of Iran.
Not a single thing you wrote takes away from the fact that this has very real political implications for Biden at the end of the year. Are you suggesting that Biden isn't considering how this will play in November? Because that would just be silly.
No. I'm suggesting that nobody in Washington really has any intention of doing anything differently with regard to Israel.
I'm not suggesting that they'd be weighing whether or not to do anything fundamentally different with respect to our relationship with Israel. I'm suggesting that they'd be weighing whether or not to come out with a more forceful messaging strategy for encouraging them to throttle back a bit and stop with the whole war crimes thing. There's a very real difference between dropping all support for Israel as a state and conveying a stronger sense of urgency for the innocent civilians that are being indiscriminately bombed. As it stands, voters are watching us not only do absolutely nothing to reduce bloodshed, but also actively send money and resources to the ones producing it.