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Bush v Gore? It's my understanding that the SCOTUS decided to take the case on their own without being asked, put a stay on the recount, then said there wasn't enough time to count because of they stay they put. They also said essentially that because counties in Florida didn't have a unified system for deciding how voting is done that they went against an equal protections law im forgetting the exact name of, completely ignoring that this is how it's done all over the country so if it's the case in Florida that it was incorrect then that means every single state has the same issue.
Didn't matter to them, they got to stop the recount just when Bush has the slightest lead.
I mean then there's citizens united... Corporations have the same rights as people??
Not accurate, Bush petitioned the courts to block the count, and they stayed the decision by the Florida supreme court. I disagree with the ruling, they should have counted all of the votes, but it was on sound legal ground, even if ultimately disagreeable.
It's long been interpreted that the COTUS is a restriction on the state not a granting of rights to the individuals. There was a great disagreement over including the BoR at all in the COTUS because some founder were afraid that explicitly listing out some of the rights would open the door to the assumption that non-enumerated rights weren't actually protected. They couldn't settle this in time which is why they were included as amendments and not in the original COTUS. The ruling stems from this idea, that the COTUS restricts the statement, it doesn't grant rights to the individual, so they can't restrict it when it comes to other private entities as well. Again, something I vehemently disagree with and should be amended, but it's not some ridiculous overreach, it's based on sound legal interpretations of the COTUS.
I appreciate the detailed response in spite of all the shitty responses people have been giving you!
You and I are the only ones who has responded to him so far. Did you see other replies that are no longer there now?
But SCOTUS can define entities (if existing law doesn't already do so, though SCOTUS can also strike down those laws if it wants to), and what it comes down to is if SCOTUS defines a corporation as a citizen, vs a business entity, a construct.
Then laws would be judged based on the entity they're being applied to.
For example, pets are considered property in the eyes of the law, so laws are applied to them as if they were property, and not citizens.
A construct should not be a citizen, legally or otherwise. It's not a restrictions issue, it's an entity identification issue.
We might be conflating two things here, or I just have no idea what you are talking about.
Using your pet example, if the pets were to start spending money on politics, the court might still rule that, like with corporations, it does not have the right to limit how much pets donate to political causes.
But this has never come up, so I can't see how you would argue that the court would not rule this way.
Well my understanding the conversation was about if SCOTUS could declare a corporation as a citizen/person or not.
If I understood you correctly, you were talking from the point of view that's SCOTUS doesn't restrict things, so it was valid for them to do so.
I'm speaking towards that it's not a restriction, it's a classification, which SCOTUS is allowed to do, so they could declare a corporation as not been a citizen/person.
I'm not even sure how you got to this. WRT to restrictions, I was talking about the COTUS (the Constitution of the US), not the SCOTUS (Supreme Court of the US). And, more importantly, I was saying it is a restriction on the government, not that it doesn't restrict things.
I got that opinion based on this comment from you...
From my reading of your comment I'm assuming "it" was COTUS and "they" was SCOTUS.
Rereading it, I guess I can see how it might have been confusing. But by restrict in that sense I was referring to the state restricting spending on speech.